JLT 2018: Carlton vs St Kilda at Ikon on Wednesday

[cookie2]

24 pages on a game we won. Winning is usually bad for business.

Novelty value? 

[flyboy77]

Docherty
Weitering
SPS
ACoS
Williamson
Rowe
Lang
O'Shea

So, excluding Doc given his knee, our best 22?

Well, 24 ended up playing Wednesday night. Of the above Weiters, SPS, Willo are walk up starts imo. Lang likely too.

So to fit three into the team, 5 need to go out...

Mullet (for Willo), Lamb (for Lang?) - then it starts to get really tough.

Should Byrne get dropped for Weiters (that's the essential swap?) given Byrne's great run off HB.

Who goes out for SPS? Most likely O'Brien at this stage or (dare I say it) Thomas. But Thomas offers more than the kid until the kid warrants selection.

Byrne or Thomas or Garlett? Byrne and Garlett ahead of Daisy for mine. I even suspect Plow might get some midfield time....giving Weiters a spot down back.

ACoS and Rowe going to find it tough with Plow and Marchy and Jones in form....as much as I like both the first mentioned blokes given their physicality.

Jones made a couple of blunders but he also did a lot of bloody remarkable things too..... if you save 7 goals and concede two i reckon you're well ahead.

[flyboy77]

Any by the by, you don't lose this ability!

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-1...itering-hl

or

https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au/2015/...weitering/

In terms of weaknesses, he does not have too many. He is not an athletic beast nor is he very quick off the mark. He disguises his lack of speed because he can anticipate situations before they happen, however Weitering is slower than other defenders in the draft crop.

This means for AFL level, he might struggle against the faster, more athletically gifted forwards such as Cam McCarthy or Lance Franklin, but would be at home against the stronger, brute forwards.

Carlton fans should not worry about his lack of speed, because the way he sets up and leads the back six as a unit. He is likely to be the kind of player than will listen intently and as he gains more confidence with his teammates, not be afraid to share his views on how to improve the side defensively.

[PaulP]

Novelty value? 

Could be cookie.

[kruddler]

The same McKay that is only a month younger than Weitering and taken the same draft?
He requires games more than Weitering does?

;D ;D ;D

Weitering is a backman.
McKay is a forward.

If one of them are going to get games as a forward, is it surprising that i want that one to be McKay?

Age is irrelevent. I want my forward to get games as a forward.

[kruddler]

In terms of weaknesses, he does not have too many. He is not an athletic beast nor is he very quick off the mark. He disguises his lack of speed because he can anticipate situations before they happen, however Weitering is slower than other defenders in the draft crop.

This means for AFL level, he might struggle against the faster, more athletically gifted forwards such as Cam McCarthy or Lance Franklin, but would be at home against the stronger, brute forwards.

Carlton fans should not worry about his lack of speed, because the way he sets up and leads the back six as a unit. He is likely to be the kind of player than will listen intently and as he gains more confidence with his teammates, not be afraid to share his views on how to improve the side defensively.

Again, never questioned his ability, just where he sits on the pecking order.

Marchbank offers the same anticipation and play reading that Weitering offers, but in a quicker, more agile package.
Jones is obviously quicker and has no issues reading the play.
Plowman is quicker and reads the play as well.

So, weiterings biggest asset, is reading the play. His biggest weakness is his speed/agility.

Out of the 4, we don't gain anything different by including weitering, and dropping one of the others. We do lose speed and flexibility though....which is my point. For team balance, it might be best if we go with the other 3 only.

Never said he isn't talented.

[mateinone]

What is relevant is saying you would rather drop weitering (who desperately needs games as much as anyone) to get games into another player, regardless of which player.

I like Harry and think he could be great, but weirering so far is both a more effective forward and defender

[kruddler]

What is relevant is saying you would rather drop weitering (who desperately needs games as much as anyone) to get games into another player, regardless of which player.

I like Harry and think he could be great, but weirering so far is both a more effective forward and defender

McKay has played 2 games, so yes, Weitering is more effective as a forward thus far.
However, based on potential, McKay has a higher ceiling up forward and i want to see how close he can get to it.

Play Weitering in front of Casboult if you wish, but McKay needs games more than anyone.
If he isn't up to it, we need to draft someone who is.
We KNOW weitering can play in defense, and he will, but as a forward he shouldn't get priority

[Gointocarlton]

I thought Ed's ball use was pretty good, and his work in the defensive 50 was excellent.  He will be one of the first players picked for some time to come.

Interestingly, Simmo was picking up a taller opponent on many occasions.

O'Brien had a night to forget (perfectly understandable) and Jones made some errors that, while excusable in a novice defender, could cost us a game during the real season.

Dont get the last bit, he made the mistakes but we still won, how would it have made a difference if it was H&A?

[mateinone]

McKay has played 2 games, so yes, Weitering is more effective as a forward thus far.
However, based on potential, McKay has a higher ceiling up forward and i want to see how close he can get to it.

Play Weitering in front of Casboult if you wish, but McKay needs games more than anyone.
If he isn't up to it, we need to draft someone who is.
We KNOW weitering can play in defense, and he will, but as a forward he shouldn't get priority

Your logic is flawed, Weitering is the same age and requires games every bit as much as Harry does. The fact he is further  in front (and by a fair way) suggests that you need to keep playing him or he risks falling back.

The club needs to do everything it can to ensure Weiters is playing each week he is fit. This guy could go on to be the next Rance such is the quality he has shown at such a young age.

I don't buy into any logic that suggests there is no place for Weitering for balance or otherwise. He would simply walk if that was the case and if I was his manager I would be advising him if the club doesn't rate him to walk and if i was his father I would be doing the same.

Thank goodness that is very unlikely to happen, Weitering would need to fall a long way to not be a first team selection.