Leadership Group 2018

[Gointocarlton]

Nobody can ever justify the recruitment of Daisy and the money he has been paid. It has been an atrocious recruitment from the club, one of the very worst ever. That isn't saying Daisy doesn't try, it isn't saying that he isn't a role model, it isn't addressing any of those things. It is a simple fact that if one of your top 2-3 paid players isn't in the 10 most effective  players at your club, you have made a horrible mistake. That top coin is meant to be for superstars, plain and simple. They should have the qualities Daisy is said to have AND be great footballers. Remember he was paid Dangerfield like cash.

If we wanted just good blokes we would have implored Armfield to keep going, by all reports he is a ripper of a bloke and bust his nut to help others.

Whilst it is great for someone to be a mentor or good bloke, it isn't enough for a highly paid player

Harsh. I could name at least 10 that were 10 times worse IMO, but lets not go over all ground and railroad another thread. This is about leadership and from all reports within the club, Daisy provides it spades even if he isnt officially part of the leadership group. When Bolts came along, he talked about developing leadership density. I think this is progressing nicely and is reflected in A. the size of the group and the eventual passing of the baton to the younger blokes and B. SOS's recruitment of players with leadership qualities as well as football nous.

[flyboy77]

With you MIO, quite frankly the only reason he remains on the list imo is because of the dollars wasted by the Club in recruiting him....

[Gointocarlton]

With you MIO, quite frankly the only reason he remains on the list imo is because of the dollars wasted by the Club in recruiting him....

I'm confused (not hard to do). Didn't his contract expire last year and he was given an 1yr extension? They could have given him the flick last year correct? If your assessment is correct, given how ruthless SOS with list management, he would not have been there this year IMO.

[PaulP]

I'm confused (not hard to do). Didn't his contract expire last year and he was given an 1yr extension? They could have given him the flick last year correct? If your assessment is correct, given how ruthless SOS with list management, he would not have been there this year IMO.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/da...y2uny.html

An old story, but the clause that guaranteed him a 5th season (2018) was dropped by Daisy, so he earned an extra season on merit.

Having seen plenty of Bolton's pressers and other interviews etc., there's little doubt in my mind that Bolts likes Daisy and likes having him around.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Cotchin, Rance and Riewoldt wouldnt be my idea of a great leadership group but thats a premiership leadership group.....Cotchin became a sniper and the other two are bozo's IMO.
Maybe great leadership in football is overrated.....or maybe as in Hawthorns case with Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Burgoyne etc its more valuable for a long cycle of success but not so important for a one off premiership. ie Richmond, Bulldogs...

[cookie2]

Cotchin, Rance and Riewoldt wouldnt be my idea of a great leadership group but thats a premiership leadership group.....Cotchin became a sniper and the other two are bozo's IMO.
Maybe great leadership in football is overrated.....or maybe as in Hawthorns case with Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Burgoyne etc its more valuable for a long cycle of success but not so important for a one off premiership. ie Richmond, Bulldogs...

Interesting point EB. Will be interesting to see how tight the Tiggers hang this year.

[mateinone]

I'm confused (not hard to do). Didn't his contract expire last year and he was given an 1yr extension? They could have given him the flick last year correct? If your assessment is correct, given how ruthless SOS with list management, he would not have been there this year IMO.

Daisy on 300k would be a reasonable investment. On the money he was brought in on, I am unsure how anyone can suggest there are 10 players 10 times worse.
Worst footballers? Absolutely... Worse for impact to our list management? Hardly.

It is getting into a Daisy bashing/protecting thread and I have more than contributed to that, so I will stop.

But outside of even Daisy, you don't pay A Grade player dollars for a player just cause they are a good bloke and train well, or any other spiel like that.
If you do.. you lose football games

[LP]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/da...y2uny.html

An old story, but the clause that guaranteed him a 5th season (2018) was dropped by Daisy, so he earned an extra season on merit.

Having seen plenty of Bolton's pressers and other interviews etc., there's little doubt in my mind that Bolts likes Daisy and likes having him around.

Shhhhh, you risk suffering ostracism for reporting a reality! :o

[kruddler]

Just read the bold and know this in relation to Daisy.

The point is though, those sorts of qualities are not the sole preserve of highly paid, contentious, injury scarred recruits - you can get players with those sorts of qualities without going down the Daisy road.

Nobody can ever justify the recruitment of Daisy and the money he has been paid. It has been an atrocious recruitment from the club, one of the very worst ever. That isn't saying Daisy doesn't try, it isn't saying that he isn't a role model, it isn't addressing any of those things. It is a simple fact that if one of your top 2-3 paid players isn't in the 10 most effective  players at your club, you have made a horrible mistake. That top coin is meant to be for superstars, plain and simple. They should have the qualities Daisy is said to have AND be great footballers. Remember he was paid Dangerfield like cash.

If we wanted just good blokes we would have implored Armfield to keep going, by all reports he is a ripper of a bloke and bust his nut to help others.

Whilst it is great for someone to be a mentor or good bloke, it isn't enough for a highly paid player

With you MIO, quite frankly the only reason he remains on the list imo is because of the dollars wasted by the Club in recruiting him....

Again, all the criticisms of Daisy have come down to his pay packet. That is NOT his problem. It has become a huge problem for him for the extra pressure it has led him to receive.

The only mentions of Daisy on this thread that do NOT involve his pay packet are overwhelmingly positive...

While Daisy is the topic of discussion, I thought I would throw this in here, a snippet from a training report (source BF) from earlier this week, while over in Tassie....

So to the highlights/lowlights
OK I'm just gonna get it out of the way....3 votes D Thomas...the only caveat being it is a big ground and no stands to get an elevated view so if I missed an on baller running rampant I humbly apologise but don't think I did.
- When the game started it was the Best 22 vs the rest and it was also clear that some players went back to just bombing the ball fwd to a pack rather than the drill they'd just done...I can see why Bolts picks Daisy, for all his limitations, he's smart - he moved into the space he was supposed to be in, he weighed his options, presented as a hit up HFF and did 2 kicks, whilst not blind they were long centred ones over the traffic from one HFF to the other (and there is no way he had time to see that option in congestion) to where the fwds and mids were were supposed to be streaming into...and guess what they were and got easy goals...does it translate to match day - I dunno but he's playing/training the way Bolton is drilling.

Harsh. I could name at least 10 that were 10 times worse IMO, but lets not go over all ground and railroad another thread. This is about leadership and from all reports within the club, Daisy provides it spades even if he isnt officially part of the leadership group. When Bolts came along, he talked about developing leadership density. I think this is progressing nicely and is reflected in A. the size of the group and the eventual passing of the baton to the younger blokes and B. SOS's recruitment of players with leadership qualities as well as football nous.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/da...y2uny.html

An old story, but the clause that guaranteed him a 5th season (2018) was dropped by Daisy, so he earned an extra season on merit.

Having seen plenty of Bolton's pressers and other interviews etc., there's little doubt in my mind that Bolts likes Daisy and likes having him around.

So i've been pretty pro-daisy according to most.
This is because, as highlighted above, i judge him based on what he does and what he brings. I don't judge him on how much he is being played.

Again, if you have an issue with his pay packet, blame the ones who paid him the money.

Just as it doesn't matter what position you get drafted, once you are on the list, its what you offer the club that matters. Take his pay packet up with the club, and let his footy and leadership do the talking.

[PaulP]

The club bent over far too easily in their rush to get new messiahs. Daisy was coming off a 5 game season in 2013. He had surgery in November 2012, then again in May 2013, then returns to the VFL and injures the ankle again in Aug 2013. The club ignored the medical advice of it own doctor, who said no to Daisy.........

With the benefit of hindsight, it beggars belief the club spent more than 30 seconds even thinking about his recruitment.

And no, Daisy hasn't done anything wrong per se, but he is the main character in a lousy tale of woe, so he will be forever associated with the whole debacle.

I didn't dislike Daisy as a Pie, and I don't dislike him as a Blue, but his recruitment was still a lame ar$se decision.

Oh well - one can only hope the club has learned its lesson.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-19/do...ing-thomas