Shaun Marsh - a ton.

[laj]

Exactly. He's become a smart R'se.

Needs to get  back to basics and start playing cricket again.

Root had a good crack at him the night before. It goes two ways.

[malo]

Ironic that Patty Cummins has now become our #1 quick, no doubt about it.  He was trying his heart out last night & could've had another couple in that last spell with a bit of luck......Hazelwood & Starc.....just don't have what he has......they look pedestrian, and all the talk about Starcs swing......I've yet to see it against anyone but numbers 9, 10 & 11.

What a shame Pattinson is out again.....he has the mongrel that those two are sorely missing.

[laj]

Ironic that Patty Cummins has now become our #1 quick, no doubt about it.  He was trying his heart out last night & could've had another couple in that last spell with a bit of luck......Hazelwood & Starc.....just don't have what he has......they look pedestrian, and all the talk about Starcs swing......I've yet to see it against anyone but numbers 9, 10 & 11.

What a shame Pattinson is out again.....he has the mongrel that those two are sorely missing.

Hazelwood's a gun normally but he has been very average this series. Starc's ok but can be a touch overrated too. He doesn't swing it like Anderson. Our bowlers make not have had the same effect if we made them follow-on for that reason, especially when tired.

[flyboy77]

I have no issues not enforcing the follow-on. Tired bowlers don't have the same effect as fresh bowlers even at night. If England hit tired bowlers for 450 runs then we have a tricky chase. What you do is bat properly and make sure you make more than 138 even if the opposition do bowl well. Even 200 in the 2nd innings would've made the chase 416.

Criticising not enforcing the follow-on just excuses our bad batting.

We still should win, especially if we get an early wicket, but we have to be a bit better and smarter with things.

Like that was always going to happen with the Poms batting in those night conditions on Day 3!

Even D. Saker has now come out and said they got it wrong.... major tactical blunder, pure and simple.

[flyboy77]

Hazelwood's a gun normally but he has been very average this series. Starc's ok but can be a touch overrated too. He doesn't swing it like Anderson. Our bowlers make not have had the same effect if we made them follow-on for that reason, especially when tired.

our boys just expect it all to happen too often.

But they'll come out fired up today.

A couple of quick wickets and it's sayonara.....

And Root was out to Lyon. The ball tracking system is f...d.

He was playing right back in his crease, it hit the rear pad maybe 15cm in front of the wickets off a spin bowler at say 90km/hr (and the ball is clearly decelerating by then).

Politics at play?
The projected trajectory was blatently wrong imo.

[DJC]

I have no issues not enforcing the follow-on. Tired bowlers don't have the same effect as fresh bowlers even at night. If England hit tired bowlers for 450 runs then we have a tricky chase. What you do is bat properly and make sure you make more than 138 even if the opposition do bowl well. Even 200 in the 2nd innings would've made the chase 416.

Criticising not enforcing the follow-on just excuses our bad batting.

We still should win, especially if we get an early wicket, but we have to be a bit better and smarter with things.

How long would they have to have bowled for - a session under lights and then a good rest before mopping up the tail on the following day.

The idea that Smith was protecting his tired bowlers is rubbish.  They would have ripped through a disconsolate team bereft of confidence and batting under lights with the ball looping around.

Poor captaincy followed by incredibly poor body language in the field.

[laj]

How long would they have to have bowled for - a session under lights and then a good rest before mopping up the tail on the following day.

The idea that Smith was protecting his tired bowlers is rubbish.  They would have ripped through a disconsolate team bereft of confidence and batting under lights with the ball looping around.

Poor captaincy followed by incredibly poor body language in the field.

It's not rubbish. it was close to 80 overs. How do you know how fresh they were? They would not have come out and had the same effect as the English bowlers as they weren't as fresh. You assuming they would've have just gone through them and mopped up the tail. Crap, they would not had the same effect and they could've gone on to make 450 leaving a tricky chase. Like I said, bat well and make more than 138.

[flyboy77]

BOWLING O M R W ECON WD NB
MA Starc 20.0 4 49 3 2.45 0 0
JR Hazlewood 16.0 3 56 1 3.50 0 0
PJ Cummins 16.0 3 47 2 2.93 1 0
NM Lyon 24.1 5 60 4 2.48 0 0



They had the dinner break to rest up knowing they would have one session to go hard.

Laughable.

[flyboy77]

i think the Poms had faced about 10 overs the night before before rain?

So the Aussies had bowled roughly 70 of the 90 required overs on Day 3....

Even if 30 overs were needed - 7 overs a head!!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Hazelwood's a gun normally but he has been very average this series. Starc's ok but can be a touch overrated too. He doesn't swing it like Anderson. Our bowlers make not have had the same effect if we made them follow-on for that reason, especially when tired.

Hazelwood gets more treatment as the batsman tend to pick him as the easier quick to hit out of the three.....he bowls more full and isnt as quick.
Also tends not to use the bouncer as much and as you say doesnt swing it like Anderson...
We lack a fifth bowler who can come on and do some of the monkey work stuff which also doesnt help Hazelwood who ends up doing that role....
Overall seems down on confidence too...his batting has gone to shite,  and even in the field he seems slower to react...needs to get nastier with the ball....