Shaun Marsh - a ton.

[sandsmere]

Super effort.

kudos....

Yes. X2.

I was one of the knockers, but he has batted very well in both tests so far.

[malo]

When the quickest bowler is the uninspiring Chris Woakes and you have the third seamer bowling at 123kmh it devalues that innings to about 30 runs in value.....
Englands attack is the worst I have seen since Phil Defreitas and Derek Pringle opened the bowling.....
Lyons hooked six gave you an indication how threatening their attack was....

They've got two bowlers who have 800 wickets between them......One of them almost single-handed bowled us out for 60.

.....whether these two are vastly overrated, and only good on doctored green tops with a duke ball is another discussion all-together :-)

[flyboy77]

They've got two bowlers who have 800 wickets between them......One of them almost single-handed bowled us out for 60.

.....whether these two are vastly overrated, and only good on doctored green tops with a duke ball is another discussion all-together :-)

Anderson is now 35....and was never quick.

Would love to see his stats in England vs stats away from England....

[ElwoodBlues1]

They've got two bowlers who have 800 wickets between them......One of them almost single-handed bowled us out for 60.

.....whether these two are vastly overrated, and only good on doctored green tops with a duke ball is another discussion all-together :-)

Fair point Mal.....but.....Anderson is barely going at 130kmh and his record in Australia is poor in fact his record outside of England is poor, no duke ball, no heavy swinging conditions then its no Anderson.

Broad I really rate, good cricketer, combative but he isnt a spearhead anymore and barely gets above 135kmh, still a wily cunning operator but he
wont be bowling teams out like he did.

Craig Overton is competitive and both him and his twin Jaime are a pair of nutters but Craig only bowls around 130kmh and even gets down to the low 120's.....no seam much in Aus and
he lacks the intimidation factor for such a giant. His brother actually bowls at 150kmh and would have been more useful....

Woakes is another Anderson, swings the ball in England but away from home is just another straight up and down sub 140kmh one day bowler who can get cant life out of dead wickets...

England produce all these 6' 6" bowler's who bowl max 135kmh.....ie Ball is another, they had some Irish giant last time who was the same........doesnt work in Australia....

David Willey the English left arm swing bowler who plays big bash for Perth is a better bowler than these blokes

[LP]

The 130 kph is nothing to sneeze at;

Glenn McGrath averaged in the mid to low 130s.
Terry Aldermann rarely got over the mid to low 130s.
Max Walker and Gary Gilmore were 130s bowlers.

I'm not sure that the difference between 130 and 140 is as much influence as what you do to vary the pace or bounce. I concede that guys who can regularly exceed 150 kph are a different issue altogether, but they are exceedingly rare.

I thought Marsh's ton was good, but I've had the impression that England's plan for the day night test was a draw, they look like they have been playing for it from the 1st ball, they look flat and disinterested. Makes me think this test isn't really offering much to go by in terms of performance or form. It's was probably a tactical mistake from England, because this year the Adelaide pitch is possibly the one that suits them best.

For England in my opinion this is a pretty crappy Ashes tour to be on, too many games in too short of a period. The ICC is responsible for these stupid schedules, they seem hell bent on giving the minnows an opportunity to grow at the expense of the traditional rivals. I believe the schedule is to get thinned down in the future, I hope so, I want to see the pinnacle of cricket in Ashes tests. At the moment it feels like the tests have become second fiddle to the IPL and Big Bash.

[flyboy77]

4 for 80.

They'll be lucky to make 150.

[ElwoodBlues1]

The 130 kph is nothing to sneeze at;

Glenn McGrath averaged in the mid to low 130s.
Terry Aldermann rarely got over the mid to low 130s.
Max Walker and Gary Gilmore were 130s bowlers.

I'm not sure that the difference between 130 and 140 is as much influence as what you do to vary the pace or bounce. I concede that guys who can regularly exceed 150 kph are a different issue altogether, but they are exceedingly rare.

I thought Marsh's ton was good, but I've had the impression that England's plan for the day night test was a draw, they look like they have been playing for it from the 1st ball, they look flat and disinterested. Makes me think this test isn't really offering much to go by in terms of performance or form. It's was probably a tactical mistake from England, because this year the Adelaide pitch is possibly the one that suits them best.

For England in my opinion this is a pretty crappy Ashes tour to be on, too many games in too short of a period. The ICC is responsible for these stupid schedules, they seem hell bent on giving the minnows an opportunity to grow at the expense of the traditional rivals. I believe the schedule is to get thinned down in the future, I hope so, I want to see the pinnacle of cricket in Ashes tests. At the moment it feels like the tests have become second fiddle to the IPL and Big Bash.

145k from a bloke who is 6' 6" is where the difference is..........

Starc is no Dale Steyn for pace or swing but that height gives him bounce even off dead wickets......same with Hazelwood and Cummins...quick enough but not super quick but like the Windies greats but that extra height makes it more difficult..The Australians have figured out the short stuff worries the Poms and they are going to get pounded every innings.....125-130k bowlers cant provide that so the Poms cant retaliate.

Englands attack is rubbish IMO and their batting not much better....I feel less confident of removing Moeen Ali cheaply than their top order, thats how well they are going......

[laj]

6/138. Lyon just took an all-time classic caught and bowleds.

Australia's bowling too good. Batting was very consistent all the way through. Although Marsh was the only one to go on and get 100, every Australian batsman contributed with the bat bar Bancroft, who was cruelly run out.

[laj]

The 130 kph is nothing to sneeze at;

Glenn McGrath averaged in the mid to low 130s.
Terry Aldermann rarely got over the mid to low 130s.
Max Walker and Gary Gilmore were 130s bowlers.

I'm not sure that the difference between 130 and 140 is as much influence as what you do to vary the pace or bounce. I concede that guys who can regularly exceed 150 kph are a different issue altogether, but they are exceedingly rare.

I thought Marsh's ton was good, but I've had the impression that England's plan for the day night test was a draw, they look like they have been playing for it from the 1st ball, they look flat and disinterested. Makes me think this test isn't really offering much to go by in terms of performance or form. It's was probably a tactical mistake from England, because this year the Adelaide pitch is possibly the one that suits them best.

For England in my opinion this is a pretty crappy Ashes tour to be on, too many games in too short of a period. The ICC is responsible for these stupid schedules, they seem hell bent on giving the minnows an opportunity to grow at the expense of the traditional rivals. I believe the schedule is to get thinned down in the future, I hope so, I want to see the pinnacle of cricket in Ashes tests. At the moment it feels like the tests have become second fiddle to the IPL and Big Bash.

130s is dangerous as long as the bowler is very skilled.

[ElwoodBlues1]

130s is dangerous as long as the bowler is very skilled.

Anderson and Broad are real skilled but like the equally skilled McGrath have got very hittable as their pace dropped...