Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[thrunthrublu]

I agree the NRA is a HUGE reason for the problem, in fact they are the single biggest problem, but their message is 'winning'. I read over 80% support private gun ownership. 50 years ago, it was actually less than 50%.

And at Walmart it appears there is this tasty advert for "Back To School"



Extremely tasteful in relation to the number of school shootings of course.

surreal to see this in a supermarket. For them that have become desensitized to such, perhaps not so. I believe military grade weapons have no place in civilian areas, especially a country that is one of the highest consumers of opiods and anti depressants

[DJC]

I made a comment on a Facebook post in which I said that automatic and semi-automatic military-style firearms are intended to kill and maim people.  I got responses along the lines that "we need our guns so that we can rise up against a future tyrannical government!"

Do these f***wits really think that a bunch of raggedy-asked civilians with small arms could take on and defeat a professional military force with armour, artillery and air support?

The fact that only muzzle loaders were available when the right to bare arms provision was inserted into the constitution seems to have slipped people's minds too.

[Jeffy38]

Do these f***wits really think that a bunch of raggedy-asked civilians with small arms could take on and defeat a professional military force with armour, artillery and air support?

Yes mate, i think they do

[Mav]

The funny thing is that Americans probably look down on Afghanis and would believe they have nothing in common with them.  But both populations have plenty of gun-loving xenophobes with deep suspicions about central government and religious fundamentalists in both countries yearn to install theocracies.  They're made for each other.

[Professer E]

If thus guy "snapped", why the meticulous planning? Doesn't sound like a spur of the moment act.

[Mav]

The fallback position has been provided by the NRA and Trump trotted it out dutifully: this was an act of pure evil and no one can stop evil.  The only one to blame is the evil-doer.

Some creative conservatives have added a few flourishes to that line, like this televangelist:

TV preacher Pat Robertson says the massacre in Las Vegas was caused by lack of respect for President Donald Trump, protests during the national anthem and the country having no “vision of God.”

“There is profound disrespect for our president, all across this nation they say terrible things about him,” the televangelist and former presidential candidate said on “The 700 Club” on Monday. “It’s in the news, it’s in other places.”

Robertson went on:

“There is disrespect now for our national anthem, disrespect for our veterans, disrespect for the institutions of our government, disrespect for the court system. All the way up and down the line, disrespect.”
He also blamed the lack of “biblical authority” and “some controlling authority in our society.”

“When there is no vision of God, the people run amok,” he said in the clip, posted online by Right Wing Watch. “And we have taken from the American people the vision of God, the whole idea of reward and punishment, an ultimate judge of all our actions, we’ve taken that away. When there is no vision of God, the people run amok.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pat...a44324a6bb

[flyboy77]

Looks like a classic false flag psyop to me.

Not for a second saying no one died, but 23 odd weapons into the hotel; cops taking well over an hour to locate him and plenty of seemingly credible stuff suggesting there was a second shooter....

hmmm.

[cookie2]

If thus guy "snapped", why the meticulous planning? Doesn't sound like a spur of the moment act.

Good point. I fear there may be a lot more to it than that.

[Thryleon]

Looks like a classic false flag psyop to me.

Not for a second saying no one died, but 23 odd weapons into the hotel; cops taking well over an hour to locate him and plenty of seemingly credible stuff suggesting there was a second shooter....

hmmm.

If seen footage that has both two guns audible and flashes coming from quite a few stories down and in a different wing of the hotel.

It's possible that it is a false flag.

The fallback position has been provided by the NRA and Trump trotted it out dutifully: this was an act of pure evil and no one can stop evil.  The only one to blame is the evil-doer.

Some creative conservatives have added a few flourishes to that line, like this televangelist:

Irrespective of the gun laws I tried to make a point like this.

The gun laws need to change.

That I won't dispute.

Irrespective of that there are a few things that won't change. People shooting others.  The obtained illegal firearms will still be available,  but they will require more planning to obtain.

[DJC]

Looks like a classic false flag psyop to me.

Not for a second saying no one died, but 23 odd weapons into the hotel; cops taking well over an hour to locate him and plenty of seemingly credible stuff suggesting there was a second shooter....

hmmm.

Reading too much into it FB.

One bloke with a high powered rifle converted to automatic and firing down into a crowded concert is all you need to kill and maim so many people.  Thankfully, the gunman didn't have a military background and didn't have a fireplan that would have resulted in the slaughter of even more innocent concert goers.

Pinpointing a shooter in a high rise building is not an easy task, particularly when the circumstances are chaotic and self-preservation is front of mind.

Suggestions that the shooter "snapped" may well be correct but, if so, the "snap" happened well before he acquired his arsenal and set up his firing point.  It clearly wasn't a spur of the moment action but was a carefully planned act of terror.