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(10-02-2017, 10:28 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Gun laws being the way they are are not ideal, but that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is/was unhinged and took it out on innocent people.
Sure we ammended our gun laws after port arthur, but its not like that was common occurrence like it is in the states.
People are the problem, irrespective of what means they use to harm people, and they have every right to be surprised that someone has acted in such fashion.
Absolutely. So why would you make it easy for them to procure deadly weapons?
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(10-03-2017, 12:12 AM)Mav link Wrote:..........................And there was even a suggestion that IS claimed responsibility, saying he had been radicalised 2 months ago. The mystery deepens.
Daesch made those claims using the bogus name published by 4Chan, they had no idea who was doing it!
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Pity that Trump didn't take the bait! I can imagine a scene in which John Kelly was wrestling Trump on the carpet in the Oval Office in order to stop him tweeting about the shooting being proof that the Muslim bans were needed ...
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(10-03-2017, 01:20 AM)Mav link Wrote:Pity that Trump didn't take the bait! I can imagine a scene in which John Kelly was wrestling Trump on the carpet in the Oval Office in order to stop him tweeting about the shooting being proof that the Muslim bans were needed ...
I suspect he'll imply that connection somehow anyway!
The US President who signs the gun control warrant is basically sentencing himself, his family or his friends to death, there is no way Trump will sign it!
He'll send us to nuclear war against North Korea first!
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(10-03-2017, 12:51 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Absolutely. So why would you make it easy for them to procure deadly weapons?
Im not saying they or we should, but once again, I think its a bit easy to point to the gun laws.
People like this will simply turn to other methods of causing destruction.
Considering what I have seen people be able to do with soda bombs, sparklers, batterys, and all manner of other "non deadly" weapons, I think simply stating they shouldnt be surprised by events like this with their gun laws is myopic thinking.
A better question to ask, firearms laws are pretty relaxed in many parts of the world, yet only in the USA to people seem to lack the common decency and respect to respond accordingly and we are comparing to some pretty barbaric places when we say stuff like this.
There is a cultural issue occurring where people are that dissatisfied with things that they are acting out in such fashion.
Perhaps its the fact that Trump got Elected.
Perhaps its the fact that cultural marxism is being pushed.
Perhaps its the fact that Richmond won the premiership.
Take the guns off people. I agree its probably better that they do, but Im still surprised that this guy decided to act like a complete and utter arsehole.
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(10-03-2017, 01:33 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Im not saying they or we should, but once again, I think its a bit easy to point to the gun laws.
People like this will simply turn to other methods of causing destruction.
It's prudent to make that as difficult as possible!
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Apparently, it's completely legal to sling a machine gun over your shoulder and walk down the street in Las Vegas! Fortunately, federal legislation makes it hard to get a machine gun legally, but if you get one you can carry it around in public places in Nevada. Maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to do this if you're Black, but if you look like a Good 'Ol Boy you're good to go.
You can kill someone with a butter knife. But I reckon you might be able to kill or maim more people if you have firearms. Just guessing, though ...
In the midst of this insanity, the NRA is pushing a Bill through Congress to overturn a ban on silencers. WTF?
Apparently, the Bill also seeks to loosen regulations regarding the sale of armor-piercing ammunition. This is understandable as deer may try to use armor to thwart hunters.
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Interesting article detailing the way the alt-right and the Russians spread conspiracy theories after incidents like this one: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...0?lo=ap_c1.
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Was interesting to hear an interview on 3AW this morning with a witness regretting he didn't have his gun with him at the time of the shooting - "if everybody had a gun, this wouldn't have happened".
This is such a deep cultural issue to half the population. Owning a gun to protect yourself is as natural as supporting a football team.
Like the health debate, with a population of this size, sadly it's like trying to turn the Queen Mary...
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Yep, this was the worst scenario for the NRA - not only was the shooter a 64 year old white guy but also this was an occasion in which general availability of guns didn't help at all. A guitarist who played at the concert noted that he and his crew were armed but returning fire would have worsened the situation by creating confusion. He says he's now in favour of gun control and is ashamed he was previously against it.
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