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Las Vegas Mass Shooting
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10-02-2017, 11:06 AM
Sherriff said "at least 50 dead", many critically wounded, the toll will get higher I'm afraid. 64 year old local resident, will be interested to hear what his mental health history is, and how he was able to get access to the weapons that were found in his hotel room
10-02-2017, 11:23 AM
(10-02-2017, 09:30 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Sounded like a heavy rapid fire weapon to me. During my Army service I managed to fire off 60 rounds with my semi-automatic rifle while my partner with the machine gun got off 50 rounds. His fire discipline was better than mine! My point is that you can lay down a lot of fire with a semi-automatic ... and it's fairly straightforward to convert most semi-automatic rifles to fully automatic. Such weapons are really only intended to be used against other humans (and some feral animals) and it is a mystery to me why they are so freely available in the USA. I wonder how many more lives will be lost before they bring in sensible gun laws. The current POTUS is in bed with the NRA and I can't seem him doing anything to upset them 
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?” Oddball
10-02-2017, 12:03 PM
Yep, some tough questions. Maybe Trump can avoid them being asked if he gets into a Twitter war with Kanye West or something like that.
So the White House press secretary states it's not a good time to be talking about gun laws.
Quote:If only the crowd had been allowed to carry weapons they could have blasted the hell out of that hotel's 32nd floor!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
10-02-2017, 10:21 PM
How can the US be surprised by this horror? When your gun laws are what they are, this is inevitable. In many civilized nations the NRA would be considered a danger to society and shut down.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
10-02-2017, 10:28 PM
(10-02-2017, 10:21 PM)Baggers link Wrote:How can the US be surprised by this horror? When your gun laws are what they are, this is inevitable. In many civilized nations the NRA would be considered a danger to society and shut down. Gun laws being the way they are are not ideal, but that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is/was unhinged and took it out on innocent people. Sure we ammended our gun laws after port arthur, but its not like that was common occurrence like it is in the states. People are the problem, irrespective of what means they use to harm people, and they have every right to be surprised that someone has acted in such fashion.
"everything you know is wrong"
Paul Hewson
10-02-2017, 11:02 PM
(10-02-2017, 10:28 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Gun laws being the way they are are not ideal, but that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is/was unhinged and took it out on innocent people. Correct people are the problem. We all need fully automatic weapons to hunt, after all "It's wabbit season!" Lunatics fully kitted out and tooled up with weapons of mass destruction from two bit arms dealers.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
10-02-2017, 11:23 PM
(10-02-2017, 10:28 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Gun laws being the way they are are not ideal, but that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is/was unhinged and took it out on innocent people. People armed with guns appear to be the problem to me. :o
Reality always wins in the end.
This wasn't just a "guy who snapped". This was a guy who had 17 firearms with him, another 18 and explosives at home and ammonium nitrate (which can be used to make bombs) in his car. He had to transport his stash to a hotel room and he must have done some prep work to pick his location. And he had to amass all of this without raising alarm.
It seems he was wealthy - he had a pilot's licence and owned 2 planes. He was a retired accountant. He had no apparent criminal or mental health history. He must have had a serious beef with someone. There were some suggestions he had a grievance over some poker game (he regularly played $100 hands of Poker in the casinos. But surely something more substantial will emerge in the coming weeks. Under Obama, the FBI took the view that domestic (non-Islamic) terrorism was its main concern, but Trump has no doubt tried to change the focus. Terrorism is now only something Muslims do. When right-wingers kill now, they are good people who snapped or who became mentally ill. That's not to say that this guy was a right-winger - his family claims he was basically apolitical. And there was even a suggestion that IS claimed responsibility, saying he had been radicalised 2 months ago. The mystery deepens.
10-03-2017, 12:38 AM
The "explosives at home" bit sounds bad, but isn't so bad when you look into it. Apparently, Tannerite was discovered. That's an explosive that is detonated by a high-powered projectile. It's marketed as a firearms training accessory for long-range target practice - when the target is hit, the Tannerite explodes so that the shooter doesn't need to walk to the target to see if there was a hit. I can imagine it would be something keen shooters would use and it wouldn't be surprising to find it alongside high-powered rifles.
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