SSM Plebiscite

[PaulP]

Genetically, the adverse effects are well understood which is one reason why the practice isn't adopted in any culture which comes to mind.

I think it gets down to prejudice, religious conviction and conservatism.
As I said earlier, I'd like to hear anyone of the contrary opinion explain how a same sex couple marrying will adversely affect either themselves, their own marriage or society as a whole, because I've yet to hear an argument that holds water.

Wall to wall soy lattes and tuna tartare with pomegranate gratin and a balsamic reduction.

Don't say you weren't warned.

[LP]

Wall to wall soy lattes and tuna tartare with pomegranate gratin and a balsamic reduction.

Don't say you weren't warned.

I need to lose weight, should I turn gay?

[blue4life]

I worked with a bloke whose father had eight wives.

He's welcome to them, one is more than enough for me. 

[PaulP]

I need to lose weight, should I turn gay?

No, just support ssm. This will give the LGBT community license to spread their crazy dietary ideas everywhere.

[PaulP]

I worked with a bloke whose father had eight wives.  Apart from having to remember the names of a great many siblings, he didn't seem to have any issues arising from his father's polygyny.

That practice has died out now as it was effectively the old men controlling access to the women and denying the younger men access.

I'm not seeing a problem here.

[mateinone]

For what it's worth I agree with you, but surely incestuous relationships or possible marriages are wholly irrelevant to the current debate, as no one is proposing any change to the law in that regard, nor is it foreseeable that any change will be proposed in the future.
I have no problem with people opposing SSM for any reason which they see fit, the ability to hold an opinion is at the heart of a free society.

Yes you are right.
The ONLY relevance it has is to show that people do have opinions on relations between adults.
That it is ignorant of most to suggest that they don't judge 2 consenting adults, when I think that most would in the situation I have put forward.

IMO only by understanding that we do in fact judge, can we then begin to appreciate that people may form a different judgment than ourselves.
We assume that because we would vote "YES" if pressed, that it shows we are choosing to have no right to judge 2 consenting humans.
In fact it shows that we are judging and choosing validation in an specific scenario.

My only part in this debate has been to show that people pass judgment based on their own compasses and their own morals on the subject and that is okay.
Having an opinion is okay.

Intolerance towards people having an opposite view is of course bigotry.

But it is also a reason that the debate should never determine the validity of marriage.
That has to be done through the method that generally all laws are changed.

[LP]

I'm not seeing a problem here.

How many jars can a man open in one day? :o

Think about the hot water bill!

What happens when they all enter menopause and start arguing over the thermostat, and if they don't agree about the choice of the Bachelor/Bachelorette?

I'd need to buy extra lawnmowers, vacuum cleaners, irons, washing machines and install a bigger kitchen!

There could be some advantages, hopefully some of them like painting!

What would happen if they discover I'm a misogynist?

[blue4life]

But it is also a reason that the debate should never determine the validity of marriage.
That has to be done through the method that generally all laws are changed.

Oddly enough I don't recall any debate when Howard changed the marriage act, nor can I recall any public consultation.
Furthermore, when a bill to allow SSM was before parliament in 2013 all Liberal and National Party MP's were obliged to vote as a bloc, so the current fashion in favour of public opinion leaves me somewhat bemused.

[LP]

Oddly enough I don't recall any debate when Howard changed the marriage act, nor can I recall any public consultation.
Furthermore, when a bill to allow SSM was before parliament in 2013 all Liberal and National Party MP's were obliged to vote as a bloc, so the current fashion in favour of public opinion leaves me somewhat bemused.

Are you asserting they pick and choose their battles?

[blue4life]

Are you asserting they pick and choose their battles?

There's a hard core among our political elite who will do everything that they can to preserve the status quo, their tactics to that end change as circumstances demand.