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[Lods]

Yes, and he's a few years younger!  I concede that I may have to have a few sessions with the sides of beef first 

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[LP]

That headbutt reads like a setup, it almost too good for the "No" camp to be true!

Shit like that just doesn't happen by accident, and not everybody is stupid enough to let a friend put the kibosh on the rest of them.

If it wasn't a setup, there's a bunch of people getting their ar5e kicked at Protective Services this morning, you can't have an Ex.Prime Minister getting physically assaulted even if he's a knob!

[PaulP]

Definitely an inside job. No yes voter worth their salt would leave Abbott with little more than a "very slightly swollen lip".

[cookie2]

Fake news?

[flyboy77]

An opportunity missed, clearly!

[PaulP]

Some further reading, for those who may be interested :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-02/ma...ly/8583412

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/b..._n_3397304

[Thryleon]

Some further reading, for those who may be interested :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-02/ma...ly/8583412

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/b..._n_3397304

Just on the bible not being meant to be read so literally, I think you'd have to tell that to the Atheists first before convincing most Christians.


Irrespective of that, hear are some quotes from the bible:

Leviticus 18 & 20

Leviticus contains two well known statements about homosexual activity:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)


Keep in mind what we have stated earlier about not being too literal.  Most people wouldn't be able to quote those passages of the bible from memory and may not have heard them before unless they had intensely studied scriptures.

Irrespective of that, I think that people from the Yes side place far too much weight on the religious side of the argument as to why people are saying No.  I think more people reject the notion of homosexuality based on personal ideology, and not one guided by Religion.  Religion is the excuse for some, whilst some yes people like myself will argue that Jesus teachings are the ones that should be followed and his teachings speak more about acceptance and love without judgement.  I think if the No people really spoke their mind about why they will vote No the LBGTI society wouldn't cope.  It would be far too hurtful.

Still as a Christian, judge not, lest ye be judged.  Its pushing me more to vote Yes than no and I still think our leadership should be passing legislation accordingly without wasting public money.

The bible is full of opposing arguments.  If you spent your life trying to follow it, you would constantly be in opposition to the previous action you took following the bible's own example.  Some have chosen to turn away from it because of this, but others have decided that it's written like this for people to investigate, read about and explore their own spirituality.

Ultimately, it's taught me that even the road to hell is laid with good intentions, and that provided you don't deliberately go out of your way to cause harm, and you do actually repent for your bad actions and outcomes, then thats where religion becomes important.  Note, when I say repent, I mean really repent not just ask for forgiveness and repeat the same aforementioned behaviour ignoring the guilt that comes with it.

[PaulP]

Thry, this is an article I linked earlier, discussing briefly those Leviticus passages.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-23/sa...er/8831826

[DJC]

A caller to Jon Faine on the ABC:

"I don't know what all the fuss is about, my wife and I have been having the same sex for 60 years!"

[ElwoodBlues1]

A caller to Jon Faine on the ABC:

"I don't know what all the fuss is about, my wife and I have been having the same sex for 60 years!"

;D  Us oldies can appreciate that caller...

In a side issue...Sam and Eddie seem at war over the issue...or maybe its just good propaganda for some footy show ratings.
This situation has divided the community, cost too much money and the govt should have passed the legislation in parliament and saved a lot of anguish.....whether you agree
with it or not its going to be a yes eventually so Turnbull should have acted and got on with more pressing issues.