SSM Plebiscite

[PaulP]

Come on PaulP, stop playing the altruistic innocent bystander.

You involve yourself in this debate this because you have a preferred political position!

There is no evil side to this debate, both sides are human, neither side is innocent!

I involve myself because I see contradictions on both sides of the debate.

I would be the last person to be called a bystander on this issue. My position has been crystal clear from the get go. The only vote that makes any sense and has any decency behind it is yes, and that, for mine, is where our sole focus should be. As you seem to have a morbid fascination and certain self proclaimed expertise in Machiavellian back room dealings, I will leave analysis of such things to you.

[LP]

I would be the last person to be called a bystander on this issue. My position has been crystal clear from the get go. The only vote that makes any sense and has any decency behind it is yes, and that, for mine, is where our sole focus should be. As you seem to have a morbid fascination and certain self proclaimed expertise in Machiavellian back room dealings, I will leave analysis of such things to you.

PaulP, don't you see you are as completely Machiavellian as those you chose to accuse?

................. It is completely presumptuous on your part to assume that vulnerable teens are being used solely as political pawns by the evil ssm lobby......................

Who stated that, I know who it was, it was you!

This SSM debate needs a level of seriousness that it won't achieve in this country, because both sides have weakly stooped to the lowest common denominators. It's going to cause the long term problems worsen!

[PaulP]

PaulP, don't you see you are as completely Machiavellian as those you accuse?

Who stated that, I know who it was, it was you!

My position is as blunt and clear as can possibly be - if you vote no, you're wrong. How exactly is this Machiavellian ?

In regard to your second question, don't be a smart ar$e.

Are you implying you are happy for LGBTI adults to leverage teen emotion in this debate?

[LP]

Paul you introduced the whole suicidal teenagers issue to this debate, 2.5hrs earlier, why?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...yl2hf.html

Whatever the "bullying left" does, they must not be seen to be giving the no voters a bit of a nudge,  a few gentle words of encouragement, to get them to think that a yes vote may actually make a meaningful difference to young people's lives. No siree, we must just sit back, and let the tragedy unfold before our very eyes. Because we mustn't tell anyone that they may actually be wrong, or making a very poor judgment. Tut, tut. We don't want to upset anyone, or be perceived as patronizing, or god forbid, paternalistic. It's all about my feelings, my opinions, my rights.

As I have learned many times over the journey, sometimes my feelings, opinions and beliefs may actually be wrong, or may have been right at one time, but not in the present.

I think it was unnecessary, and contributes nothing.

I feel justified to call this out as politicizing mental health issues in teenagers, and I don't like it!

[PaulP]

Paul you introduced the whole suicidal teenagers issue to this debate, 2.5hrs earlier, why?

Because it's of relevance to the discussion, which you then co-opted into yet another of your conspiracy theories. 

You know, I really can't figure out which one of us is the bigger idiot - you, for your seemingly non existent comprehension skills, or me for falling for your sh1t time and time gain. In all honesty, it's probably me.

[LP]

You know, I really can't figure out which one of us is the bigger idiot - you, for your seemingly non existent comprehension skills, or me for falling for your sh1t time and time gain. In all honesty, it's probably me.

And there it is, when was it I bullied you PaulP?

[Thryleon]

My position is as blunt and clear as can possibly be - if you vote no, you're wrong. How exactly is this Machiavellian ?

In regard to your second question, don't be a smart ar$e.

Herein lies the issue.

Irrespective of whether or not you agree, one side is not "right", and the other is not "wrong".

They are ideological differences and remind me very much of the capitalist vs communist debate.

It isn't validated by a vote majority either, because the only thing that matters is how an individual views the world and society.

People can assert that their position is right, but as far as I am aware, that doesnt make anyone more correct.

Hitler thought he was right, and so did much of his nation.  Look how THAT turned out.

[PaulP]

And there it is, when was it I bullied you PaulP?

Are you on drugs ?

[LP]

Herein lies the issue.

Irrespective of whether or not you agree, one side is not "right", and the other is not "wrong".

They are ideological differences and remind me very much of the capitalist vs communist debate.

It isn't validated by a vote majority either, because the only thing that matters is how an individual views the world and society.

People can assert that their position is right, but as far as I am aware, that doesnt make anyone more correct.

Hitler thought he was right, and so did much of his nation.  Look how THAT turned out.

Thry, I'm actually a "yes" voter.

But that vote and the vote of others has to come for the right reasons not because of being guilted or bullied into it!

If people vote for the wrong reason, things will become very bad because they don't really believe it!

I also think people have the right vote anyway they choose, which seems to grate with some, but it is a democracy.

[LP]

Are you on drugs ?

Feel free to answer the original question!