SSM Plebiscite

[Thryleon]

It's a social group. Necessary doesn't come into it. People intersect, interact, and bond with each other for many different reasons and interests, and this applies particularly to minority groups. On one level, I could be part of a larger group because we support the same team - I could form a subgroup within that larger group for CFC supporters who are Brad Pitt lookalikes. Why ? Because I can, and because I want to, and because others want to as well. I could be part of my local residents action group, many of whom may hate football, or be Bomber of Pies supporters, but we're united on a particular cause, yet we can still retain our previous likes, dislikes, biases etc.

We have had in the past the Wog AFL team of the century, the Italian team of the century, Greek team of the century etc. Why ? Are they not all AFL/VFL footballers ? I'd say because the Italians who support AFL want to have a little fun. I don't poo poo a particular player because they're not Italian. Many things can coexist quite happily and quite easily, even though they may seem pointless, contradictory, or counterproductive.

Anyhoo, as to the Ad itself, it's not a great ad. That Dads4kids group and the LGBT community clearly don't like each other, and the Dads4kids group made a submission to the government in 2014 which contains dubious ideas from the 1950's. Clearly a group to keep an eye on.

Sure I respect all of that, but isn't this an example of accusing people of not being inclusive and then deliberately excluding yourself?

I don't think there is a Carlton Greek supporters club, or an Italian Carlton supporters club et Al for arguments sake.

Fwiw my argument comes from a place of acceptance not bigotry which is why I'm raising these questions.

[PaulP]

Sure I respect all of that, but isn't this an example of accusing people of not being inclusive and then deliberately excluding yourself?

I don't think there is a Carlton Greek supporters club, or an Italian Carlton supporters club et Al for arguments sake.

Fwiw my argument comes from a place of acceptance not bigotry which is why I'm raising these questions.

It seems to me as though you're thinking in "either/or" rather than "both/and". A broader CFC supporter group and a LGBT supporter subgroup can happily coexist, no problems at all. You can bet London to a brick that the LGBT group would happily accept straight people. Setting up such a group does not mean they are deliberately excluding others. People are allowed to have special interests, are they not ?

[Gointocarlton]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

My point is coming from a place where I see a Carlton lbgti supporters group created, and wonder why in 2017 is this necessary??

You wear navy and irrespective of whether you like Arthur or Martha you are a Carlton supporter and part of that group.

The point being that people are accepted for who they are, not whom they screw.

Thry I was going to say this when the LBGTI Supporters group post was made but feared the backlash by people who took it the wrong way. IMO, creating such a separate group is actually anti logic and creates further division which should simply not exist. Happy for someone to explain why it would not. AFAIC, we are all one people not matter what race, religion, sexual orientation etc. I just dont get why in 2017, people just dont get it. Whats important is peace, love and respect for one another.

As for the fathers day add banning, these PC kents can GAGF as it has gotten beyond the joke.

[Gointocarlton]

And while I'm here, happy Fathers day to all the dads out there. I hope you all have a fab day.

Cheers Pauly.

[Bear]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/com...858fe70dbd

What is going on in this country?

Reckon it is fair enough - this isn't a "community service announcement", in light of the SSM debate we should have this sort of rubbish clearly identified. That goes for both sides.

Doesn't matter that they have run it for 15 years, the SSM debate has seen it have more scrutiny and it doesn't pass muster - they need to identify it for what it is. That's all they have been asked to do.

As a Dad I don't need this sort of sh1t on TV today anyway.

[Gointocarlton]

Reckon it is fair enough - this isn't a "community service announcement", in light of the SSM debate we should have this sort of rubbish clearly identified. That goes for both sides.

Doesn't matter that they have run it for 15 years, the SSM debate has seen it have more scrutiny and it doesn't pass muster - they need to identify it for what it is. That's all they have been asked to do.

As a Dad I don't need this sort of sh1t on TV today anyway.

It may be sh!t for you, what those that its not?

[Bear]

It may be crap for you, what those that its not?

Then have a wonderful day and let the good times roll.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Woolies preference is too have a iced cake with " special persons day".....
https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/36941586...-day-cake/
Looks like being a father is something else us dads have to feel guilty about now?.....

[cookie2]

Should we consider moving it to a different date?

[mateinone]

So I wonder how much more of this if every father said.

Actually we DON'T WANT a Father's Day.
We will encourage our children to not shop for us on this day and ask them to show their respect for us as their 'Special Person' by not spending a cent.

I wonder then how much traction this gets.
I don't celebrate as I have said, but I hear a lot of ads telling consumers to buy dad this gift on Father's Day.

Imagine the next step is a complete boycott of Christmas. Another day that people (kids) are made to feel bad about celebrating that happens to hold up the retail economy.

I still to earlier, those people that want to change this country should move to a country where they don't celebrate the days we do here. I am fairly sure they will not be missed