Rd 15: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide

[LP]

Given that many pundits predicted that we'd go backwards this season, matching last season's performance isn't all that bad; particularly when you consider the inexperienced lineup we've used in most games.

It's still early but we are already likely to equal last season give or take a game.

I heard Brereton on radio yesterday defending his pre-season predictions of our imminent demise by claiming Carlton and other clubs with young lists like CheatsFC will go backwards in the remaining rounds as young bodies crumble under season long pressure.

[Baggers]

Just watched the game again. I reckon there were only 3 blokes who didn't hold up their end of the bargain - Casboult, Cuningham and Sumner. Cuningham's ability to go missing/vanish is so frustrating, especially as when he asserts/inserts himself into the game/contest he's a ripper... what a tease. He may yet be Lucas MK III unless he can find consistency  ;D

We are really beginning to see a team discipline/ethic developing very strongly (which was betrayed a couple of weeks ago but we bounced back impressively... all is forgiven  ;D ) So, stage one is just about locked into place - powerful and effective defensive culture. Next, let's kick some goals. Before the season is out I would really like to see us put together a 4 quarter performance that sees us belt the shizen out of our opponents and win by 60+

Can't agree with the criticisms of ZF, he's a fkn ripper who gets from contest to contest like a ferret with its @rse on fire. His defensive pressure is elite and forces many opponents into error. Collecting the aggot and running from the contest / backing himself will come. Fulfilling his role beautifully.

Come on H, put in a good one this weekend and force yourself into the seniors.

[flyboy77]

I finished watching the replay last night too.

I thought Murphy was very ordinary, compared to when he's 'on'. And don't quote me his stats.

Fisher? Tries hard granted, just not there yet imo.....just reckon he's better off gaining experience and possessions in the 2s...

[PaulP]

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We are really beginning to see a team discipline/ethic developing very strongly (which was betrayed a couple of weeks ago but we bounced back impressively... all is forgiven  ;D ) So, stage one is just about locked into place - powerful and effective defensive culture. Next, let's kick some goals. Before the season is out I would really like to see us put together a 4 quarter performance that sees us belt the shizen out of our opponents and win by 60+
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We all would, but unless something phenomenal changes, that won't happen.

[madbluboy]

I finished watching the replay last night too.

I thought Murphy was very ordinary, compared to when he's 'on'. And don't quote me his stats.

Fisher? Tries hard granted, just not there yet imo.....just reckon he's better off gaining experience and possessions in the 2s...

Agree on Murphy, his possessions are junk. 15 meter kicks backwards and side ways that hit the target may boost his supercoach points but they don't help the team.

Fisher brings pressure that no one else in the side does, we have to persist with him. Inside 50 pressure acts are crucial and Rioli and his buddies terrorized opposition defenders for years. Ever notice that we make Bachar Houli look like Andrew McLeod whenever we play the tigers? He's not that quick but we can't get near him.

[shadesy]

Agree.

First you must learn to walk, then you can learn to run.

Playing keepings off is a way to keep us in the game, and limit the oppositions chance to kick away.

I'm not down on it. I understand it. I'm glad we as supporters are mainly getting it as well.

It was just the first time this year that i felt frustrated by it, but what was good was that we were able to stem the flow on the ground without having to wait for quarter time. So that showed some real leadership IMO.

[LP]

We are really beginning to see a team discipline/ethic developing very strongly (which was betrayed a couple of weeks ago but we bounced back impressively... all is forgiven  ;D ) So, stage one is just about locked into place - powerful and effective defensive culture. Next, let's kick some goals. Before the season is out I would really like to see us put together a 4 quarter performance that sees us belt the shizen out of our opponents and win by 60+

I thought when ACoS was in the team this looked more likely than before. I think you need some mongrel in a team to properly stomp on an opponent. You know if you get 30 or 40 points up the opposition are going to get physical, and in ACoS' absence we have very few willing to take on that aspect of the game.

We are a little bit meek when we are in front, and we go into self-preservation cruise mode too easily. If we fought as hard when in front as we do when we get 20 or 30 points down well see a lot better results. We need to be a little bit greedy, but greedy as a team not greedy as in self-reserving individuals!

It's hard to see it happening, but it would be interesting to see Rowe and ACoS playing side-by-side leaving Jones to get up the field as a monster sized version of Docherty.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Just watched the game again. I reckon there were only 3 blokes who didn't hold up their end of the bargain - Casboult, Cuningham and Sumner. Cuningham's ability to go missing/vanish is so frustrating, especially as when he asserts/inserts himself into the game/contest he's a ripper... what a tease. He may yet be Lucas MK III unless he can find consistency  ;D

We are really beginning to see a team discipline/ethic developing very strongly (which was betrayed a couple of weeks ago but we bounced back impressively... all is forgiven  ;D ) So, stage one is just about locked into place - powerful and effective defensive culture. Next, let's kick some goals. Before the season is out I would really like to see us put together a 4 quarter performance that sees us belt the shizen out of our opponents and win by 60+

Can't agree with the criticisms of ZF, he's a fkn ripper who gets from contest to contest like a ferret with its @rse on fire. His defensive pressure is elite and forces many opponents into error. Collecting the aggot and running from the contest / backing himself will come. Fulfilling his role beautifully.

Come on H, put in a good one this weekend and force yourself into the seniors.

Problem I have is we let the Crouch boys get 30 possies each including 20 plus between them in the last quarter when the game was there to be won and we also let Laird and Smith get way too much of the ball....its no point our mids getting high numbers if your opposition are doing the same and their players use the ball better ..

[PaulP]

I thought when ACoS was in the team this looked more likely than before. I think you need some mongrel in a team to properly stomp on an opponent. You know if you get 30 or 40 points up the opposition are going to get physical, and in ACoS' absence we have very few willing to take on that aspect of the game.

We are a little bit meek when we are in front, and we go into self-preservation cruise mode too easily. If we fought as hard when in front as we do when we get 20 or 30 points down well see a lot better results. We need to be a little bit greedy, but greedy as a team not greedy as in self-reserving individuals!

It's hard to see it happening, but it would be interesting to see Rowe and ACoS playing side-by-side leaving Jones to get up the field as a monster sized version of Docherty.

Agree re Alex S. The team looks less beatable and less fragile with him in the team - maybe it's just my perception.

[flyboy77]

At this point, Lamb appears far hungrier and hard at it than Sumner sadly. The latter i rated but injuries or whatever have left him well off the pace....

I thought Casboult went ok. Again he has no foil up forward.