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The Defence - Gointocarlton - 05-13-2021
Some damning vision on Fox the other night, Doc and Jonesy not doing the basics. It's good to play high scoring footy but the defensive structures need to be able to support that and the defenders need to be switched on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btbqn7l2v6U&t=544s
Premierships are built of rock solid defences, we need to address this pronto.
Re: The Defence - LP - 05-13-2021
They like potting us, today they are potting Teague for denying the Cripps injury.
I've said before, the more they pot us the closer we are, most in the media seriously hate us because they blame the lack of success during their own playing career on our TPP violations!
btw., I think the problem is still more about our mids not defending, the Melbourne example they show proved that, the Dees had 9 in D50.
Re: The Defence - PaulP - 05-13-2021
We just need to put Liam Jones' head on a swivel, and we'll be right lol.
Re: The Defence - LP - 05-13-2021
(05-13-2021, 10:27 PM)PaulP date Wrote:We just need to put Liam Jones' head on a swivel, and we'll be right lol.What Jones did was wrong, whether that is through ignorance or design, but that is clearly not the issue, we have less numbers in D50 than the opposition. The lack of urgency in particular from both Doc and Jones.
But you could argue that Jones may been instructed not to be dragged back to the square eliminating his intercept marking, so are the comments from Lyon and Healy deliberately naivé just to stir the pot?
I fear this is again Barker's mates helping him dodge a bullet!
Re: The Defence - Thryleon - 05-13-2021
Ive just watched the footage.
Jones 100% gets "sucked into" the contest. Its not design, we don't want him doing that. Had it been a small id say we wanted that to occur to stop the easy out. Still Jones saw something that made him head that way and a backline general should be directing traffic and telling him to stay on his man (which might be the problem as he didn't have his opponent he had a small). The fact Lipinski is the loose one actually means he has cheated, because Jones is probably searching for his direct opponent.
The docherty footage is different. I think this is design. Sure make him charge back, but I think the idea is to try and make someone accountable for him with the only problem being we didn't get our hands on the footy. Maybe he misread the situation and could have done more to fix it, but I heard a spot on the radio regarding a stoppage and how Geelong beat Richmond on Friday and it discussed Mitch Duncan's positioning at a defensive contest and how he chose to line up attacking side of it because the Tigers want you to defend and this is a weak spot if you make them do it. The bulldogs aren't dissimilar. Make them defend and they'll struggle a bit.
For the plowman bashers keep an eye on how these plays both unfold. You'll notice he's stuck covering two men by himself in both circumstances. It happens a lot and thats why the opposition score through his man frequently. Its not because he's crap, its because he's covering too many.
Re: The Defence - Thryleon - 05-13-2021
The end of the footy told the story better of why we lost to the bulldogs. We had Judd once. Would win games by himself against opposition frequently irrespective of how good they were. The bont did it again to us. His last quarter was kouta sequence from the 99 preliminary final.
Re: The Defence - Lods - 05-13-2021
It's a bit of a Catch22 with Jones.
Yep they highlighted his mistakes.
He backed himself and got caught out.
How many times does he back himself and it pays off with a spoil or an intercept mark?
There's 'stuff' he could do better...but we don't want to eradicate a strength.
Re: The Defence - PaulP - 05-13-2021
(05-13-2021, 10:33 PM)LP link Wrote:What Jones did was wrong, whether that is through ignorance or design, but that is clearly not the issue, we have less numbers in D50 than the opposition. The lack of urgency in particular from both Doc and Jones.
But you could argue that Jones may been instructed not to be dragged back to the square eliminating his intercept marking, so are the comments from Lyon and Healy deliberately naivé just to stir the pot?
I fear this is again Barker's mates helping him dodge a bullet!
As I said elsewhere, we simply don't know if he stuffed up or if he's playing to instruction, because we don't have access to behind the scenes information. I like Jones, and him getting to 150 games is Lazarus-like IMO. But I think he's the type of player that really needs a simple task, and he will stick to it diligently and do a good job. I'm not convinced that he has a high footy IQ, or that he's good at thinking on his feet.
I think we can say after the first 8 rounds that Teague simply believing he can outscore the opposition, how matter how many goals they kick, is flawed, at least with the personnel we have available. The concentration of goals among too few players is a big concern of mine. If Harry has an off day, or Betts is injured / rested, then we're stuffed IMO.
Re: The Defence - PaulP - 05-13-2021
(05-13-2021, 11:02 PM)Lods link Wrote:It's a bit of a Catch22 with Jones.
Yep they highlighted his mistakes.
He backed himself and got caught out.
How many times does he back himself and it pays off with a spoil or an intercept mark?
There's 'stuff' he could do better...but we don't want to eradicate a strength.
Yes, I agree. I wouldn't worry too much about Fox Footy. Their stock in trade is to sensationalise and exaggerate the negatives.
Re: The Defence - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-13-2021
Jones leaks goals.... If a forward kicks three on you he has done his job imo.
Weitering aside our defense doesn't get the basics right often enough and that is stop your man getting the ball and scoring.
I never mark defenders on possessions it's who they played on and what their opponent did during the game.