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Lawyer X - Police - LP - 11-30-2020
I'v followed this debate with some interest, and in particular as is my bent how the media portray this story.
I'm made curious by this almost universal lack of a single perspective, there is almost zero commentary about "The Truth", an absence that to some degree exposes the hypocrisy of people.
Sure LawyerX is a snitch, but isn't that how the police get their information, and isn't that also how the media get their information as well?
To paraphrase, the outrage seems to be "Lawyers don't protect and project my lies!", and police have used nefarious means to expose the lie a lawyer used to protect a client.
Is a lie really privileged information when the lawyer knows it is a lie?
What of the lawyer's liability in this?
Even in the growing list of appeals, there seems to be little regard for the truth!
Re: Lawyer X - Police - Baggers - 12-01-2020
We live in interesting times, Spotted One.
I, also, find myself perplexed by how lowly 'honesty/truth' is regarded in so many hallways of industry, law and politics.
Holy cr@p, we need only look at so many leaders of nations to see how successful bullsh1t has become. If you're blindly loyal to a political ideology, as one example, you'll remain loyal to that ideology even if it's leader(s) is a blatant liar!
As for lawyer X... I remain astonished at why she is being demonized. Yes, she deceived her clients but it was to put her dishonest client behind bars... oh the moral dilemma. She lied, yet did so for a perceived greater good. What do we make of that? A simple yet powerful statement of the world we live in? The Mafia, in the main, was brought down by cops who'd infiltrated their ranks... snitches... they deceived for the greater good. Sneaky exposed the crooks... honest cops had no chance. Time to go live on a deserted island!
Re: Lawyer X - Police - dodge - 12-01-2020
A lawyer's job is to act in the best interests of their client - which is why it takes a 'special' type of person to be a criminal lawyer/barrister. This brings up the age old question: How do you defend someone that you know is guilty? Often by plea bargaining, pointing the finger at someone else, looking at legal loopholes, often in the gathering and presentation of evidence (which there are a lot of rules around). This is to ensure that there is a 'fair' trial - remember innocent until proven guilty.
I think there are a couple of lawyers on here - they will know better than me.
Most people will agree that the Lawyer X situation put a few people in gaol where they should be. Unfortunately, the rules (that these people don't abide by) mean that there was too much evidence that shouldn't have been used and so they get off.
Is this right? Good moral and ethical questions for our times.
As for Politicians and what they are doing. May the one who looks over us be the judge! It is despicable the lack of truth and honesty.
Re: Lawyer X - Police - LP - 12-01-2020
[member=181]dodge[/member]
In this case we aren't talking about shoplifters, these are felons who have executed people and some even injured bystanders in the process!
The lawyers have an even bigger responsibility in my opinion, it's called humanity.
I realise I'm very cynical, but it seems to me the wallet overrules the conscience!
I cannot differentiate politicians and lawyers in this instance, the behaviour is/seems comparable.
Re: Lawyer X - Police - LP - 12-01-2020
(12-01-2020, 12:10 AM)Baggers date Wrote:As for lawyer X... I remain astonished at why she is being demonized. Yes, she deceived her clients but it was to put her dishonest client behind bars... oh the moral dilemma. She lied, yet did so for a perceived greater good. What do we make of that? A simple yet powerful statement of the world we live in? The Mafia, in the main, was brought down by cops who'd infiltrated their ranks... snitches... they deceived for the greater good. Sneaky exposed the crooks... honest cops had no chance. Time to go live on a deserted island![member=61]Baggers[/member] It seems to say something about the people making the laws, those implementing them and those defending them.
I've have two relatives who have worked at the Bar, both left for the corporate world and eventually one went NGO. They tell me you'll never meet a bigger collection of crooks and scoundrels than at a Bar association event! One describes the Bar as the same basic bunch of criminals observed from the other side of the fence. Almost a definition of disillusionment!
Re: Lawyer X - Police - dodge - 12-01-2020
I don't disagree at all, LP.
What is 500 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.
Unfortunately there is a large group of people that look for loopholes - work legally, rather than morally/ethically/humanely. While intention of the law needs to be taken into account, it often doesn't appear to.
I often talk about the tax act (exciting, hey). When it was originally written in the 1920s, it wouldn't have been a very big document. Over time, where people have found ways and means to legally reduce their tax (against intention of the Act), the Act has been amended. It is now a massive document and there is a lot of work for tax lawyers and tax accountants. Legal? Yes. Moral/ethical? questionable. I stopped working in tax over 20 years ago. I paid more tax on $44k than a client who 'earned' $800k+.
Re: Lawyer X - Police - LP - 12-01-2020
(12-01-2020, 01:21 AM)dodge date Wrote:I stopped working in tax over 20 years ago. I paid more tax on $44k than a client who 'earned' $800k+.Yes, the problem is clearly the enablers, but I don't get why the media pile on the train, unless maybe it's a gravy train!
In that case, who does Joe Average trust, because it looks from the outside like the morality goes to the highest bidder!
Re: Lawyer X - Police - cookie2 - 12-01-2020
(12-01-2020, 12:54 AM)LP link Wrote:[member=61]Baggers[/member] It seems to say something about the people making the laws, those implementing them and those defending them.
I've have two relatives who have worked at the Bar, both left for the corporate world and eventually one went NGO. They tell me you'll never meet a bigger collection of crooks and scoundrels than at a Bar association event! One describes the Bar as the same basic bunch of criminals observed from the other side of the fence. Almost a definition of disillusionment!
Have a look at the backgrounds of many politicians both here and overseas.
Re: Lawyer X - Police - LP - 12-01-2020
(12-01-2020, 03:01 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:Have a look at the backgrounds of many politicians both here and overseas.Is a Politician a failed Lawyer, or is a Lawyer a failed Politician?
Can someone please pose this question on Q&A?
(Like that'll get you an answer! :o )
Re: Lawyer X - Police - cookie2 - 12-01-2020
(12-01-2020, 03:03 AM)LP link Wrote:Is a Politician a failed Lawyer, or is a Lawyer a failed Politician?
Can someone please pose this question on Q&A?
(Like that'll get you an answer! :o )
Failures in both instances.