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Re: General Discussions - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-27-2022
(06-27-2022, 10:49 AM)Mav link Wrote:Wow, who needs science when we can just make claims without evidence?Have a look at at England vs New Zealand womens cricket on Kayo right now .....new ball bowlers going at 113kmh, batswomen being beaten for pace.....and you want male transgender athletes bowling at these woman@140k plus, you have to be kidding?
Apparently, a man who decides to keep up the training so he could compete as an alternate gender would lose very little or nothing at all. And they would be bigger, stronger and capable of physical acts that far exceed what a normal non transgender female could be capable of.
Please point me to the evidence rather than the supposition.
By the way, a big District cricketer who is castrated and injected with estrogen won’t necessarily scare women cricketers any more. The Romans were no longer scared of Samson after Delilah cut off his hair. They mocked him instead. Only a special deal with God enabled him to pull down the temple. I’m guessing testicles are more powerful than hair.
I wouldnt allow my daughter to play, ask any of the fathers on this forum if they want their daughter playing in a competition that allows such a dangerous advantage to the transgender athlete.
Re: General Discussions - Mav - 06-27-2022
You [b][i]assume transgender athletes would bowl at 140+ after being castrated. Where’s your evidence?
Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 06-27-2022
(06-27-2022, 11:17 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Have a look at at England vs New Zealand womens cricket on Kayo right now .....new ball bowlers going at 113kmh, batswomen being beaten for pace.....and you want male transgender athletes bowling at these woman@140k plus, you have to be kidding?Yep, I said it at the time when I saw Mouncey in a lift in the city a few years ago, no way in hell I would want my daughter playing against her. That's this fathers perspective.
I wouldnt allow my daughter to play, ask any of the fathers on this forum if they want their daughter playing in a competition that allows such a dangerous advantage to the transgender athlete.
Re: General Discussions - LP - 06-27-2022
(06-27-2022, 11:22 AM)Mav date Wrote:You [b][i]assume transgender athletes would bowl at 140+ after being castrated. Where’s your evidence?We've already seen transitioned athletes create records in two sports, launching much of the current controversy, and they did so in quite a comfortable fashion.
Re: General Discussions - Mav - 06-27-2022
Quote: One competitive cisgender female runner, who did not want her name used, explained how “incredibly unfair” this is to her, attributing the rule change to the IOC’s “trying to be politically correct.” Another cisgender female athlete, former Olympic judo competitor Ronda Rousey, went further (and got graphic) when she complained to the media about her competitor Fallon Fox, a trans woman, claiming: “She can try hormones, chop her pecker off, but it’s still the same bone structure a man has. It’s an advantage. I don’t think it’s fair.”Do transgender athletes have an unfair advantage at the Olympics? Washington Post, 8/8/2016.
[Bruce Jenner: ‘Have an open mind and an open heart’]
But here’s why we all had it wrong: The first-ever study of transgender athletes showed that the hormone therapy that facilitates male-to-female transition does more than just suppress testosterone. Published last year in the Journal of Sporting Cultures and Identities, the study showed that as testosterone levels approach female norms, trans women experience a decrease in muscle mass, bone density and other physical characteristics.
“Together these changes lead to a loss of speed, strength and endurance — all key components of athleticism,” the study’s author, Joanna Harper, wrote in The Washington Post. Harper, who is chief medical physicist at Oregon’s Providence Portland Medical Center, a trans athlete and a participant in the IOC meeting that overhauled the trans guidelines, explained to me that “it’s not the anatomy that matters, it’s the hormones.” After a year of hormone therapy, for example, female trans distance runners completely lose their speed advantage over cisgender women.
Re: General Discussions - LP - 06-27-2022
(06-27-2022, 11:40 AM)Mav date Wrote:Do transgender athletes have an unfair advantage at the Olympics? Washington Post, 8/8/2016.And yet transition athletes are winning competitions and setting records in female sports ranging from swimming to basketball and weightlifting.
Hannah Mouncey could lose half her body weight, and some bone density, which might actually be an advantage if bone mass is reduced proportionally more than muscle strength, and she would still have a huge advantage if she chose to make use of it.
Next thing someone will be showing us videos of transitioned weightlifters coming 2nd in a competition, that is after they have set world records in the early heats. Throwing the competition to quell the controversy and to justify the politics isn't fairness, it is downright sneaky, it's like a thief wisely not splashing too much cash around!
Re: General Discussions - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-27-2022
(06-27-2022, 11:22 AM)Mav link Wrote:You [b][i]assume transgender athletes would bowl at 140+ after being castrated. Where’s your evidence?Has Hannah Mouncey been full medically reassigned? or just the hormone therapy?
Re: General Discussions - LP - 06-27-2022
I don't have daughters, but I can clearly see the disparity in physical attributes that these transitioned athletes exhibit.
I have friends who have daughters who have trained for years to be elite athletes, yet they will almost certainly be done over by a single well trained transitioned athlete if this is allowed to persist.
But maybe that is what some people want, perhaps they think the correct place in society for daughters is pregnant and in the kitchen rather than competing in elite sports!
Re: General Discussions - LP - 06-27-2022
(06-27-2022, 11:55 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Has Hannah Mouncey been full medically reassigned? or just the hormone therapy?Does it really make a difference?
No matter what Mouncey loses or how she is treated she'll still enter the arena with a 188cm x 100kg frame loaded with male bone mass and structures that no female will ever compete with.
In the last 48hrs we've listened to the critics of AFL complain that the sport is too aggressive, that Presita's injuries colliding with another trained male are like a car crash, and people are arguing for a Mouncey type to be free to collide head on with a female opponent, accidentally or otherwise in the spur of the moment.
It's absurd this could even be genuinely considered, it's like allowing Andre the Giant to play Little League!
Sure the girls might be faster, have better aerobic capacity, be agile and evasive, but what happens in that moment one turns left when they should have turned right, even if it is an accident!
Can you imagine an accidental head clash between Mouncey and a girl? There are already issues around girls having weaker neck geometry that makes them susceptible to concussions, Mouncey is constructed like a NRL front row!
Re: General Discussions - Mav - 06-27-2022
Not sure and I’m hardly an expert in this area. As with most things outside my areas of expertise, I’d have to do a lot of research to be in any position to debate usefully. But I’d imagine we’re all in the same boat. To have a useful debate, we’d have to research the issues for a week and then come back prepared to debate. But let’s get real. None of us is willing to do the homework. We’re left with conjecture and uninformed opinions rather than reason. At best we’ll trade opposing articles and studies without resolving anything.