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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-17-2020

(07-17-2020, 01:57 AM)Baggers date Wrote:Brilliant post, 3 Leos. Perspective. Reality. Truth. Para 2 in your quality contribution to this discussion is one that some folks should read over and over.
Can you imagine the outcry if Vic turns around and tells the other states to accept and look after it's own international travellers directly?

At the moment they quarantine in Victoria, put that in context about the Virgin domestic flight outrage a week or two ago. Many of the people NSW are complaining about are people who were returned international travellers from NSW or Qld that were shipped from overseas into Victoria for quarantine, then NSW and Qld point the finger at Victoria!

FMD, until Thry pointed it out and I cross checked, I didn't even know this was going on. We are taking a bullet here, and being persecuted by the rest of Australia for doing so!

I'm left with even more admiration for our medical staff, they are helping people without regard to who or where they come from, in other words being human and showing some humanity. That puts them well above my pay grade on the humanity scale, I'm not worthy to lick their boots!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 07-17-2020

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-melbourne-doctor-suppression-or-elimination/12462518

This article is disturbing to me. OK an opinion piece, but from the front lines of the fight against this virus and suggesting that we may have the strategy all wrong?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 07-17-2020

Attention will soon turn to debt repayment and I can't see a way clear unless the GST is increased (for a period of time) with the federals holding onto the excess revenue, managing it and not give it to the states.  Something's gotta break

That's a simplistic approach, others may have other ideas.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-17-2020

(07-17-2020, 02:13 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-melbourne-doctor-suppression-or-elimination/12462518

This article is disturbing to me. OK an opinion piece, but from the front lines of the fight against this virus and suggesting that we may have the strategy all wrong?
Is it a realistic option?

Even for NZ which went this way it's not over, the elimination strategy has caused a delay not a cure, there are already new cases in NZ and having just a few weeks "clean" has come at a huge domestic cost for them. For more than we are prepared to pay so far!

Some experts think there is no elimination strategy, much of what we are seeing is just the early stages of a change that lasts forever and there is no going back to the way things were. Thinking we can go back, using the old measures for what we want to achieve, perhaps just delays progress on developing the new normal.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 07-17-2020

(07-17-2020, 12:24 AM)LP link Wrote:Your inside perspective is always enlightening Thry, I didn't realise International air travellers were be preferentially directed to Victoria, so I crossed checked that and it seems it's correct.

But perhaps it's not really as a deliberate act as people might think. Like Sydney has it's deep water ports for cruise liners, a lot of flights into Australia arriving in Melbourne has to do with which airlines maintained international flights, where they have or can get landing slots in Tullamarine or Avalon, where airlines choose to have their capacity limited hubs, and the hours airports can or would remain open as not all are 24x7.

MEL and BNE are 24/7 and slots given the scarcity of ops would not present a problem, nor a/c parking issue.  SYD is the thorn and has been for 50 years or more.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 07-17-2020

(07-17-2020, 01:57 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Brilliant post, 3 Leos. Perspective. Reality. Truth. Para 2 in your quality contribution to this discussion is one that some folks should read over and over.
All the more reason why it needed to be a secure and robust process handles by qualified people. The failure of the Ruby Princess disembarkation should have been a learning. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-17-2020

(07-17-2020, 03:07 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:All the more reason why it needed to be a secure and robust process handles by qualified people. The failure of the Ruby Princess disembarkation should have been a learning.
In fairness to all the people involved, it's easy to get that impression when misleading commentary wrongly refers to COVID-19 as Flu Like!

They are all learning on the run, knowledge isn't instantaneous, and there isn't really something of this magnitude they can relate it to historically. The epidemiology is quite different to even the original SARS or MERS outbreaks.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 07-17-2020

(07-16-2020, 03:10 AM)LP link Wrote:You just make so many false claims to support false assumptions there are too many to debate, there is nothing correct about what you posted but you're mired in defending your false conclusions. If you polish the scratches out of that broken record it will move to the next track! Wink

Dude, I'm a solicitor.

Did plenty of con law in my early days. I know a bit about the divisions of powers.

Now, it's obvious - way beyond obvious -  you're the (personality?) type who thinks he know more than anyone else about everything, but seriously, once and a while, learn to STFU.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-17-2020

(07-17-2020, 05:26 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:Dude, I'm a solicitor.

Did plenty of con law in my early days. I know a bit about the divisions of powers.

Now, it's obvious - way beyond obvious -  you're the (personality?) type who thinks he know more than anyone else about everything, but seriously, once and a while, learn to STFU.
You've got that exactly wrong Flyboy77.

Without doubt I know that I don't know all of it.

I'm certain from what you've posted about COVID-19 you don't as well.

If I knew it all I'd offer solutions, not just shine a critical torch on the grossly erroneous stuff being re-posted, conspiracy theories that use 3rd rate internet fluff as evidence, on repeat at thousands of different but equally invalid websites. It's just propaganda for political or social purposes. Reports with just a sprinkling of truth but mostly drowning in rubbish, things a literary author like Le Carre would describe as "Just enough glitter amongst the chicken feed!"

You've got all that legal training, you need to use the critical thinking skills you were taught and apply it to some of that ludicrous stuff you re-post.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 07-17-2020

(07-17-2020, 05:26 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Dude, I'm a solicitor.

Did plenty of con law in my early days. I know a bit about the divisions of powers.

Now, it's obvious - way beyond obvious -  you're the (personality?) type who thinks he know more than anyone else about everything, but seriously, once and a while, learn to STFU.

So you're a solicitor and apparently a psychoanalyst accusing the Spotted One of being a certain 'personality type'... who exactly is the person who reckons he knows everything about everything?