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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 06:51 AM)Lods link Wrote:I find the Nazi references a bit of hysteria.
Trump's life experiences and the causes for the formation of his opinions are nothing like Adolf Hitler's.
The situation in Germany during Hitler's rise are nothing like the current situation in the USA.
You can draw parallel's with some of the oratory... but the Storm-troopers won't be marching into Mexico or Canada any time soon....in fact Trump is more likely to take America into an isolationist role....and that may be our greatest concern with this Presidency should it eventuate.
The basic system of Government there is "checks and balances" between the executive, legislative and judicial structure. Even in a situation where one party controls all three it is unlikely that these checks and balances wouldn't apply. In fact the greatest opposition for Trump may come from within his own party.
I see plenty of parallel's.....failed businessman, failed artist, no political education but plenty of non logical political opinions, phobia's with certain racial /religious groups..... lets make america great again as a slogan.
Some quotes from an article comparing the two from the Sydney Morning Herald recently..
Hitler saw himself as singularly endowed to avert Armageddon and reach national greatness. For Hitler, there was no middle ground between the "total downfall" threatening Germany at the hands of a Jewish-Bolshevik world conspiracy and his vision of a renewed German glory - a vision of an instant "leap from despair to utopia," as historian Fritz Stern put it. Trump, too, posits a pending American cataclysm that can be averted only through his election, which will lead directly to reclaimed greatness.
They both share the " I alone" can save my country attitude......do agree though that the checks and balances of the system will prevent any extreme megalomaniac behaviour becoming a reality..
As in the 1930s, voters were invited into Wonderland, and the desperate ones felt the urge to go....Hitler didnt need stormtroopers to get voted in and neither did Trump....the people fell hook line and sinker for another messiah...
Hilary the one with the political education and qualifications in terms of political experience was ignored in favour of a bloke whose only success was a TV show show where he spent most of his time firing people....could only happen in America....
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 07:13 AM)Lods link Wrote:If they don't he'll be out on his ear in 4 years....that's how democracy (not fascism ) works.
Sure, but you've made one big assumption - that democracy will be in play?
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - madbluboy - 11-09-2016
Where's my credit for tipping this?
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 07:53 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Where's my credit for tipping this?
Its in those Gold stocks you should have bought...
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - townsendcalling - 11-09-2016
............and we thought that appointing an old fool like Malthouse was a mistake, and that's only sport!!!
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 07:40 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Hilary the one with the political education and qualifications in terms of political experience was ignored in favour of a bloke whose only success was a TV show show where he spent most of his time firing people....could only happen in America....
Hillary was scuppered by her association with the establishment elites, wall street, the military/industrial groupings and hard ass neocons. The Democrats lost touch with traditional working roots and values and have paid dearly for it. She was also preaching to the converted about the glass ceiling and other stuff the average guy who as lost his job and his house could not give a fat rat's clacker about.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 07:53 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Where's my credit for tipping this?
Credit from me. I don't like her but I thought she'd win - I didn't realise what things in the US are like generally but there were a few clues on show in NYC when I was there recently.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 11-09-2016
@Woody
Greatly appreciate your comments Woody. However, I fear we may be on the cusp of massive changes in the world and I'm filled with a lot of uncertainty. I hope to God you are right.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Bear - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 07:53 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Where's my credit for tipping this?
I thought you were trolling Mav.
I'd be buying gold with that credit too.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - PaulP - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 07:53 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Where's my credit for tipping this?
You also predicted that Mick would be good for the club and that GWS would win the flag. That looks like a deficit to me.