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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Thryleon - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 04:22 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Its Nazi germany stuff IMO...you get enough working class people struggling and a well organised marketing strategy to engage them and you get their hearts and minds to follow.... a lot of Trump voters wouldnt have a clue what they are voting for.....in their minds anything is better than what we have, so its where do I sign to get a promised better life...
You have to wonder too if some of Hilarys promised votes didnt make it to the ballot box....
I think you do Nazi Germany a disservice comparing these two. Under their leadership, they recovered from the great depression much quicker than any other nation, and were absolutely doing well until they went too far with their social policies.
From what I have researched they were a real alternative to the ruling class at the time, that had some really good policies until megalomania kicked in.
This is quite different. This is a vote for Megalomania to prevent Megalomania. The people of the USA were IMHO on a complete hiding to nothing from the beginning and a big middle finger at the establishment is the only thing people voted for here which automatically gives them more credibility in my book.
IMHO, it was a dead rubber and Hillary had no contest, yet somehow the American people actually went with the option that sends a clear message to those puppet masters pulling strings. "Start giving us something better or we will simply vote for the other option, even if they are looking like being a hopeless leader."
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 06:35 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I think you do Nazi Germany a disservice comparing these two. Under their leadership, they recovered from the great depression much quicker than any other nation, and were absolutely doing well until they went too far with their social policies.
By making bombs, tanks, fighter aircraft, battleships, Zyklon-B, rifles and rocket launchers at factories that had previously made ferries, cars, bicycles, motorbikes and fertilizer! :o
They did pretty well out of real-estate and the arts as well!
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 11-09-2016
I find the Nazi references a bit of hysteria.
Trump's life experiences and the causes for the formation of his opinions are nothing like Adolf Hitler's.
The situation in Germany during Hitler's rise are nothing like the current situation in the USA.
You can draw parallel's with some of the oratory... but the Storm-troopers won't be marching into Mexico or Canada any time soon....in fact Trump is more likely to take America into an isolationist role....and that may be our greatest concern with this Presidency should it eventuate.
The basic system of Government there is "checks and balances" between the executive, legislative and judicial structure. Even in a situation where one party controls all three it is unlikely that these checks and balances wouldn't apply. In fact the greatest opposition for Trump may come from within his own party.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 11-09-2016
So ends the career of Megan Kelly! :
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 06:51 AM)Lods link Wrote:You can draw parallel's with some of the oratory... but the Storm-troopers won't be marching into Mexico or Canada any time soon....in fact Trump is more likely to take America into an isolationist role....and that may be our greatest concern with this Presidency should it eventuate.
I doubt he'll head in any direction that increases his costs or reduces his profit.
Expect more low cost/wage foreign workers, with nothing left for the plebs that voted for him to do for a living except earn less! Some of trump's biggest supporters have huge foreign investments in countries like The Philippines, Mexico, The Middle East and Australia, expect imports to stay as is or perhaps even increase!
As an aside, I'm not sure why Ariana Grande is Tweeting disapproval at the result, in a Trump led world she could be new 1st Lady within a month or so! Out with the old, in with the new!
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 06:51 AM)Lods link Wrote:I find the Nazi references a bit of hysteria.
Trump's life experiences and the causes for the formation of his opinions are nothing like Adolf Hitler's.
The situation in Germany during Hitler's rise are nothing like the current situation in the USA.
You can draw parallel's with some of the oratory... but the Storm-troopers won't be marching into Mexico or Canada any time soon....in fact Trump is more likely to take America into an isolationist role....and that may be our greatest concern with this Presidency should it eventuate.
The basic system of Government there is "checks and balances" between the executive, legislative and judicial structure. Even in a situation where one party controls all three it is unlikely that these checks and balances wouldn't apply. In fact the greatest opposition for Trump may come from within his own party.
The principles and causes are similar - it's more a question of degree. We await now to see whether the underlying social and economic problems get addressed effectively. If they don't then what may happen next is extremely uncertain. Bear in mind that this is only the beginning of the story - it has a very long way to play out yet.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - PaulP - 11-09-2016
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/president-donald-trump-the-day-america-chose-to-become-the-jerry-springer-show-20161109-gslhtf.html
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 07:03 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:We await now to see whether the underlying social and economic problems get addressed effectively. If they don't then what may happen next is extremely uncertain. Bear in mind that this is only the beginning of the story - it has a very long way to play out yet.
If they don't he'll be out on his ear in 4 years....that's how democracy (not fascism ) works.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Woodstock - 11-09-2016
(11-09-2016, 07:03 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:The principles and causes are similar - it's more a question of degree. We await now to see whether the underlying social and economic problems get addressed effectively. If they don't then what may happen next is extremely uncertain. Bear in mind that this is only the beginning of the story - it has a very long way to play out yet.
Hmmmm. Having a German father and having being born there and lived there many years, I think you are drawing a VERY long bow. The situations were totally different.
My German grandmother took many years to open up and talk about life under Hitler. She was a teenager when he took the reins. The look in her eye and hushed tone talking about that son of a whore. I'll never forget it. Ever. Utter betrayal. Crushing disbelief.
You have to remember that the hyper inflation and utterly brutal conditions set by the Treaty of Versailles meant that Germans, including the average punter, were screwed. There was no way back. Hitler, prior to going off the rails got people jobs, created a healthy manufacturing industry, built up autobahns, tremendous advances were made by the sheer fact that he gave people the hope to say No to austerity,roll up their sleeves and have pride in their country again. It's what he did to the Jews, gay community, gypsies, disabled...Jesus Christ, my Grandmother had friends disappear overnight. It was only much later she said, that people truly learnt of what the Nazis we're doing. She said to me "if you opened your mouth and asked too many questions...well you went missing as well". In conditions like that........
Anyway, yes, Trump sells hope, but don't compare a war ravaged country with crippling austerity measures set by foreign powers next to the elitism of the 21st century. Big difference. The elite just realised they went too far, especially the Republicans machine who thought they could belittle Trump and that people would see though him. Well he can't be bought and promised to "drain the swamp'. In a country where wage growth has stagnated for 30 years and sportstars earn obscene money compared to the average person, even emergency services and armed forces....well I can see how a protest vote could be attractive.
Would Bernie have beaten Trump? Pundits were convinced that he would have, but then again they were wrong about this final result.
I'd hate to be one of pundits in his party, or elsewhere for that matter, who bad mouthing and/or white anted him. I'd bet he doesn't hold grudges well....
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Gointocarlton - 11-09-2016
Order has been restored, 325,000,000 morons now have a moron as their President. Finally... :