(07-15-2020, 04:21 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:I'm not a particular fan of his - he has overseen some good stuff and some bad stuff imo but this has to go down as a bad one imho.

(07-15-2020, 04:23 AM)LP link Wrote:I'd say just like Scotty from Marketing, they are on a hiding to nothing because this is a battle they can only win with the committed help of the general public, and it's being proven without doubt that the general public has far too many cockheads!

It's funny that some laud SA, WA, Qld or NSW and even NZ as prime examples, but in doing so wilfully ignore the risks of going the early crow!

I'm with Thry, this is so far from over that as yet it has barely started!

(07-15-2020, 04:21 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Part of Dan's job imo would be to protect the people of Victoria from threats to their well-being, posed in various forms including pandemics. All likely risks should be assessed and mitigated in provision of that protection, including the one of people ignoring or under-estimating the threat and not willingly following directions, a not unheard of phenomenon. The security at quarantine sites has been clearly shown to be inadequate i.e. was a failure - a failure of risk assessment, a failure of decision making and a failure of process. This all reefs back to the Victorian government of which Daniel Andrews is the leader.

I'm not a particular fan of his - he has overseen some good stuff and some bad stuff imo but this has to go down as a bad one imho.

(07-15-2020, 04:34 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Sure, and heads will roll for it. But there are a lot of people under him that had a say in that matter that should be made accountable before it ever gets to him in this instance.

if we sacked every politician anytime something went wrong at any level, we'd never have any politicians left.
They oversee hundreds of projects, which employ thousands upon thousands of people. Some of those people are going to stuff up at some stage (nobody is pefect). So because there is 1 person at the top of that chain, he should go?

As i said before, its an overreaction to an emotional topic.
If 1 letter from Australia Post goes missing, do we sack the CEO? He is ultimately in charge....

(07-15-2020, 04:30 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:Maybe so but you have to understand and cater for that in developing a solution to address the problem. No point rolling out a solution which may work fine if everyone was of high IQ and was capable of understanding and following directions. If you know that's not the case then you need a more robust solution to cater for that surely? "The operation went great but unfortunately the patient died"?

(07-15-2020, 04:45 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:I didn't say anything about sacking him, at this stage,  - but certainly mark this one down in the negative column of his ledger. Also, I think this stuff up is slightly more serious than losing a letter - prolongation of this lock down is likely to cost many millions of dollars and result in thousands of people possibly losing their livelihoods in the form of their business or job. Certainly something that will no doubt generate plenty of emotion, but an overreaction?? I don't think so - answers are required and as soon as possible.

(07-15-2020, 04:30 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Maybe so but you have to understand and cater for that in developing a solution to address the problem. No point rolling out a solution which may work fine if everyone was of high IQ and was capable of understanding and following directions. If you know that's not the case then you need a more robust solution to cater for that surely? "The operation went great but unfortunately the patient died"?