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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 07-15-2020

There's no doubt that, for the largest part, the nation owes the front liners our thanks and far ahead of some woeful political bungling and mismanagement.  The cost of all of this is gonna hurt     





Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 07-15-2020

To those claiming this is all Dans fault because he put inept security guards in charge. THink about it this way,

If people listened to the advice he has given. Stay home. Social distance. Wear masks. etc.

There would be zero cases.

People don't take responsibility for themselves.....and thats dans fault?
The security guard is apparantly free of blame in the eyes of most......somehow its dans fault.

Everyone knows what to do.
People are not doing it.

Great line from Men In Black.
"A person is smart. People are dumb"

Dans 'issue'? He looks at us as individuals rather than as a collective.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 07-15-2020

(07-15-2020, 02:39 AM)kruddler link Wrote:To those claiming this is all Dans fault because he put inept security guards in charge. THink about it this way,

If people listened to the advice he has given. Stay home. Social distance. Wear masks. etc.

There would be zero cases.

People don't take responsibility for themselves.....and thats dans fault?
The security guard is apparantly free of blame in the eyes of most......somehow its dans fault.

Everyone knows what to do.
People are not doing it.

Great line from Men In Black.
"A person is smart. People are dumb"

Dans 'issue'? He looks at us as individuals rather than as a collective.

That's naff Kruddler.

Of course the security crew are at fault - that's beyond obvious.

That doesn't negate the government's culpability.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 07-15-2020

(07-15-2020, 02:55 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:That's naff Kruddler.

Of course the security crew are at fault - that's beyond obvious.

That doesn't negate the government's culpability.

You're not getting it, FB. No, the security guards were maybe complicit and perhaps incompetent BUT it is still the responsibility of each and every citizen to NOT want to break quarantine guidelines. It is no more simple than that. Everyone plays ball, C-19 comes under control.

Are you culpable if one of your subordinates deliberately and willfully disobeys your instructions?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 07-15-2020

(07-15-2020, 02:55 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:That's naff Kruddler.

Of course the security crew are at fault - that's beyond obvious.

That doesn't negate the government's culpability.

....yet still no mention about who the security guard did the deed with.

2 people (at least) to blame before you get to Dan Andrews.
I'm tipping Dan Andrews didn't hire the security guard personally either.
Did he personally hire the company who hired the security guard?
How many people in the 'chain of command' do we need to go through before we get to Dan Andrews?

Ultimately the buck stops at the top, but all this hysteria is like trying to fire the CEO of a global bank because some work experience kid lost a $1 coin under the desk when counting out some cash at your local bank.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Jack Burton - 07-15-2020

I blame the selfishness of some people. If the people told to quarantine for 14 days after returning from overseas could be trusted to do so we wouldn't need any security guards at the hotels. Same type of thing still happening at a large scale, kfc parties etc.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - bratblue - 07-15-2020

Why all this obfuscation?  Dan has overseen this mess.  The buck stops with him, he admits it, as he should.

Read billions of bucks and many peoples long term health and lives even.

Quarantine should be just that, quarantine. Not difficult to predict that people would break the rules so no point blaming them.  Its the processes put in place that have let us down badly. Other states got it right so it wasn't that hard.

Dan talked about complacency but it seems that he, the health department and other officials who ignored warnings were guilty of exactly that.  Allowing the BLM protest attests it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 07-15-2020

(07-15-2020, 02:39 AM)kruddler link Wrote:To those claiming this is all Dans fault because he put inept security guards in charge. THink about it this way,

If people listened to the advice he has given. Stay home. Social distance. Wear masks. etc.

There would be zero cases.

People don't take responsibility for themselves.....and thats dans fault?
The security guard is apparantly free of blame in the eyes of most......somehow its dans fault.

Everyone knows what to do.
People are not doing it.

Great line from Men In Black.
"A person is smart. People are dumb"

Dans 'issue'? He looks at us as individuals rather than as a collective.
The security guards were as dumb as dog shite, the person who put them into that position is even dumber.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-15-2020

(07-15-2020, 03:51 AM)bratblue date Wrote:Quarantine should be just that, quarantine. Not difficult to predict that people would break the rules so no point blaming them.  Its the processes put in place that have let us down badly. Other states got it right so it wasn't that hard.
It's quarantine not jail.

I heard a report from one of the top brass police that suggested they didn't even officially have the power to enforce it! the laws have been watered down under human rights agendas.

If you want an idea for why stuff like this is so hard in Victoria go ask Julian Burnside or Susan Carland!

Did you notice Dannii Minogue is being guarded by a "Trusted 3rd Party" under an industry formulated quarantine scheme, all ticked off by the Qld state government and medical officers, as was the Vic plan. "Trusted 3rd Party", Industry Plan, read "Security Guards"!

btw., The Qld Health Minister freely offered a list of critical industries that have an agreed exemption under an industry wide plan.
Entertainment! (Critical Industry!) :o
Mining (The current drop in carbon emissions is intolerable, don't mention the war!)
Health
Military (Hunting illegal Victorians)
Police
Emergency Services (Blocking border crossings with volunteer fire fighters!)
Politicians
Bureaucracy
Transport
Fishing (Welcome to the reef whalers and Nth Korean fishermen)
Tourism (Who the feck is coming?)
Agriculture (Can't do without our 457 Visa holders, profits will dive!)

In other words, about 1/2 the Qld population it seems!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 07-15-2020

Part of Dan's job imo would be to protect the people of Victoria from threats to their well-being, posed in various forms including pandemics. All likely risks should be assessed and mitigated in provision of that protection, including the one of people ignoring or under-estimating the threat and not willingly following directions, a not unheard of phenomenon. The security at quarantine sites has been clearly shown to be inadequate i.e. was a failure - a failure of risk assessment, a failure of decision making and a failure of process. This all reefs back to the Victorian government of which Daniel Andrews is the leader.

I'm not a particular fan of his - he has overseen some good stuff and some bad stuff imo but this has to go down as a bad one imho.