(08-26-2024, 07:56 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Disagree.

People who praise Fantasia (best entry inside F50) need to look at how he gets his possessions and what happens when he gets them in traffic. Same with Durdin.
Compare that to Motlop.

Fantasia pounced on a loose ball (it was our free kick) and managed to kick it forward.
Smart play.
Right place right time.
Ultimately, didn't win a contest though.

Same thing when he got his goals. 2 of (the 4) of them were joe the goose types from memory. He isn't really creating much. He doesn't get the hard ball. He is an outside player.

Compare that with Motlop and even Moir. They make things happen. Motlop will take the hard ball, try a stiff arm, a spin and then either kick a goal or get tackled. The latter occurs and people lose their minds. He is only young, is learning the game and you can't hate on him for trying.
Moir first goal last week came when is a bear hug. Was smart enough to not grab posession, but still influence the game by kicking a goal.
Incidently, Moirs goal this week came from a chain that started from Motlop being front and square, getting the ball forward initially and then picking up and handballing to Acres while about to be tackled. Acres delivered to Moir in space.

FWIW...
Owies - 11 touches - 5 score involvements - 1.0 goal -1 goal assists - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 4 turnovers
Fantasia - 10 touches - 4 score involvements - 1.0 goal - 2 goal assists - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 5 turnovers
Motlop - 4 touches - 3 score involvements - 1.1 goals - 0 goal assists - 2 tackles - 1 clearance - 2 turnovers
Durdin - 4 touches - 2 score involvements - 0.1 goals - 0 goal assissts - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 0 turnovers

1 was 'our best'
1 was 'great'
1 was 'the less said the better'
1 was 'injured'.

In terms of output, i'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between them.
They all had the same amount of tackles.
They all had shots on goal.
The all had score involvements.
Some got it more, and turned it over more

(08-26-2024, 10:05 AM)DJC link Wrote:Once again, statistics only provide part of the picture.  Since you've gone there, how many intercepts and rebound 50s did they each get?  Tackles inside 50? What about metres gained?

Fantasia and Owies worked hard all over the ground and were involved in many contests.  Durdin and Motlop weren't involved in the game anywhere near as much.

For all that, Owies is the only one I'd have in the team to play Brisbane.  Fantasia gets a game if Owies doesn't get off his suspension.

(08-26-2024, 09:47 AM)Lods link Wrote:Neither Motlop or Durdin have progressed this year.
But both have had interrupted seasons
When they have played, it's probably because of necessity rather than readiness.
Judge them with a full pre-season behind them and some extended game time.

(08-26-2024, 11:27 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:100% agree.  We underestimate how much having no pre-season can impact a player

(08-26-2024, 12:45 PM)pertz link Wrote:I'd have Moir in the starting team. The kid has X factor and everything he has done has been  class. He is pacy and hard running.  He is the future.