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Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - pew2 - 07-27-2024
well i got that wrong i thought we would win, BUT once again our shit game plan i call it u12 get ball boot ball we are so predictable my 2 favourite parts are 1 the kick in from football back long to the wing only to watch it come straight back and 2 long bomb to our fwds and no pressure from our smalls. Trouble is i was saying the same thing last year .Voss and co haven't changed a thing WORRY
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 02:22 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Yep EB, I'm at a loss with Young, has all the attributes to be a contributor but soft at the contest. I thought it was a confidence issue but doesn't play like it means anything to him. I'd pay out his contract and tell him to F off, that kind of attitude causes deep cultural issues at clubs. No passengers.Agree Prof, Im happy to trade Young out and try my luck with someone else as a KP tall defender, his intensity is zero and he looks cooked as far as wanting to contest hard and is a shadow of the player who impressed in his first season.
I think Walsh's back issues are a real issue, he's lost any burst speed. "Back related" hamstring used to be thing, and a real concern
Cerra needs a rocket as well. Play with intensity or piss off to Cramer Street.
Cerra is also wanting it bruise free and looking for the cheapie on the outside....one clearance , one tackle and only 4 contested out of his miserable 15 possessions isnt good enough for what we are paying him and he needs to support Cripps, Walsh etc better or learn about responsibility and workrate in the VFL.
Too many players wanting it bruise free and for the usual suspects in Cripps and Walsh doing the hard yakka, wearing the knocks and those two looked jaded and tired at the end. Walsh looks really out of sorts and needs a rest but we cant afford it given we have nothing to replace him with. I can see Ben Camporeale playing a lot of footy next season....
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 03:52 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree Prof, Im happy to trade Young out and try my luck with someone else as a KP tall defender, his intensity is zero and he looks cooked as far as wanting to contest hard and is a shadow of the player who impressed in his first season.
Cerra is also wanting it bruise free and looking for the cheapie on the outside....one clearance , one tackle and only 4 contested out of his miserable 15 possessions isnt good enough for what we are paying him and he needs to support Cripps, Walsh etc better or learn about responsibility and workrate in the VFL.
Too many players wanting it bruise free and for the usual suspects in Cripps and Walsh doing the hard yakka, wearing the knocks and those two looked jaded and tired at the end. Walsh looks really out of sorts and needs a rest but we cant afford it given we have nothing to replace him with. I can see Ben Camporeale playing a lot of footy next season....
Cerra has been a bust since his injury.
He's had enough time to turn get up to speed.
I don't expect to see an improvement over what Cerra gives us, but it might be time to reward Binns with a game who is in white hot form in the 2's.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Professer E - 07-27-2024
We overlooked LDU and Cerra for Dow, who we passed on for bugger all, then traded a first rounder for Cerra. That draft year has been curse for this club.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - BluePhantom - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 03:37 AM)pew2 link Wrote:well i got that wrong i thought we would win, BUT once again our crap game plan i call it u12 get ball boot ball we are so predictable my 2 favourite parts are 1 the kick in from football back long to the wing only to watch it come straight back and 2 long bomb to our fwds and no pressure from our smalls. Trouble is i was saying the same thing last year .Voss and co haven't changed a thing WORRYBeen talking about this for the last 10-15 years.
Only one game this year where we made space and honoured the leads. And boy did it look good and it worked.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 07-27-2024
(07-26-2024, 06:31 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Some inaccuracies with this post.
1. Pittonet and sweet had the same amount of disposals in the 2nd half. Sweet had 1 more hitout in the 2nd half. Pitto had 1 more clearance in this time. (Cant access hta stats)
2. Pittonet took both his marks in the first quarter. Had 5 touches to sweets 0, but lost hitouts 10-3. 1-0 in clearances.
3. His 2nd quarter
Hitouts 12-10
Clearances 3-2
Disposals 3-2
I think his best was Q1 and broke even every quarter from there.
Edit: TOG stats shows sweet played 88% pitto played 75%. That is equivalent to an extra 16 minute of play. 16 minutes of play where he was up against our backup ruck.
Yet no advantage in the stats.
FWIW, Pittonet and Sweet had 12 hitouts to advantage each.
Also Young only attended 12 ruck contests, for 3 hitouts and 0 to advantage.
Not sure what he offered in the ruck that Cripps and Kennedy do not.
He managed 1 clearance. (McGovern and Ollie Hollands also had 1)
He was a complete bust there.
He was involved in just 1 defensive 1 on 1 contest, which he lost.....so was no better there.
For comparison.....
Kemp lost both he was involved in as well.
Weiters was involved in 8 and lost just 1.
McGovern won his only contest.
Allir was in 10 and lost 4
We desperately need to find a genuine CHB and forget about picking/shoehorning in another 'tall' to ruck.
I didn't mind the experiment, but we got the information we needed.
Time to look elsewhere.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LoveNavy - 07-27-2024
(07-26-2024, 11:02 PM)Professer E link Wrote:What brainiac scheduled us last on a Sunday, then Friday night? Don't see how that was ever a level playing field.
There's nothing level about this competition any longer. The tail wags the dog.
That said, a 5d break shouldn't occur this time of year. Obviously the powers want to pip other codes and $ deals. Given there's 18 teams, I'd guess 5d could be avoided, althoughwe did put our case forward for the big games. Unfortunate for us, this one coincides with crucial injuries (some compliments of the sniper ?) as well as poor form after return from injury. If you look at that combination, it resembles an obvious ticking time bomb. Particularly when you consider the load on the regulars and the capability of bottom end players.
Interesting to see the 5d break spread across all teams.
We can only remain hopeful that we can turn it around. What is certain is that we're very hard to beat when at our fierce best. The real challenge is consistency.
Go Blues
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LoveNavy - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 04:43 AM)Professer E link Wrote:We overlooked LDU and Cerra for Dow, who we passed on for bugger all, then traded a first rounder for Cerra. That draft year has been curse for this club.
We had multiple players under similar circumstances. Samo, Fisher, LoB.... the list goes on. Remember the hype about Kristian Jaksch? It's been happening for ages.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Baggers - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 03:06 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:isn't that the whole point of saying we can't have it our way all the time?
To keep you fighting when it isn't?
It's a paradox, eh 3 Leos. I get it. But this mindset thing is a slippery customer and humans being what they are, some will see a lapse as 'just the way things are' therefore okay. For context, I get that my missive above might seem idealistic, even unrealistic. And perhaps my military training, especially in the branch I was in where the pass marks were nothing less than 80%, often over 95%, colours my view and expectations. Understand. But I saw how such a mindset benefitted us under duress and pressure. Perfection is unrealistic but sustained excellence isn't.
So... never offer any statement that could confuse or even weaken resolve and expectation. For two hours on the paddock, it is combat, so you'd better have your mind fixed on sustained excellence.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 06:28 AM)LoveNavy link Wrote:There's nothing level about this competition any longer. The tail wags the dog.
That said, a 5d break shouldn't occur this time of year. Obviously the powers want to pip other codes and $ deals. Given there's 18 teams, I'd guess 5d could be avoided, althoughwe did put our case forward for the big games. Unfortunate for us, this one coincides with crucial injuries (some compliments of the sniper ?) as well as poor form after return from injury. If you look at that combination, it resembles an obvious ticking time bomb. Particularly when you consider the load on the regulars and the capability of bottom end players.
Interesting to see the 5d break spread across all teams.
We can only remain hopeful that we can turn it around. What is certain is that we're very hard to beat when at our fierce best. The real challenge is consistency.
Go Blues
The 5-day break in itself is not necessarily the issue. IMO the bigger issue is that Port had an extra 2 days break.
If they had a 6-day break it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
Of course, there was no real need for there to be a 5-day break anyway, especially since we were the last game sunday and the first game the next week.