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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Professer E - 07-13-2024
Don't know why we were favourites for this game, the kind we always lose to a hungrier side.
Pathetic effort for a club icon's milestone game, very disappointing.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 07-14-2024
(07-13-2024, 11:32 PM)Professer E date Wrote:Pathetic effort for a club icon's milestone game, very disappointing.We don't have a great history of milestone games, not sure why but it is what it is.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-14-2024
You look at the stats and we won most of them, dominated the hitouts but really only broke even in the clearances/stoppages like vs GWS. Dominating teams in this area has been a feature of our wins and having such a one paced midfield exposes us when we only break even. Cripps again was a lone hand and its mystifying why the in form Hewett and Kennedy have been dropped or relegated in Kennedys case to sub as a lot of us have been saying.
The flow on effect seems to be Walsh unable to break his tag and being subdued, Id also add when you play Pittonet as the ruckman we lose TDK's clearance ability where I think he provides better value than his actual ruckwork.
IMO Voss and the MC have played this team out of form by trying to be too cute at selection and in efforts to manage workload havent got it right and picked the wrong opponents to be fiddling with selections given players like Cerra and Cottrell have come back in cold and not been able to add much.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 07-14-2024
[member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] I understand your points, but a couple of clarifications.
I suspect Hewett, Kennedy and some others are carrying injuries, it's the only thing that explains MC decisions, nursing these blokes through the main season to get them to finals in good enough condition to have an impact.
Our Midfield was down, but we have Cerra back, we don't expect our midfield to perform less competently when you add Cerra but as you mention he's out of form which should probably be expected from a player who has missed so much footy. But now is the time to run him into form and match fitness, not a week before finals.
btw., I often think AFL strength and condition coaches get it wrong, they go too far in the strength and not enough in the condition stuff. Cerra looked heavy and slow, his legs looked significantly bulkier, but he has lost some pace. He like our other Mids needs every trace of pace they can muster.
We brought Cottrell straight back, perhaps the MC honouring a promise to player who lose a spot due to injury, but he's come back in stone cold out of form and having little impact. Same timing issue applies to Cottrell, if we are going to carry him at any stage it has to be now, not in 4 or 5 weeks time!
I get your comment about TDK being in the midfield less, but he can't go the full season like that and not break down, and technically Pitto averages more clearances than TDK. The suggestion we lose clearances is not correct, if we lose anything it's spread, but even yesterday Pitto delivered first possession to a team-mate multiple times and they immediately turned it over. We could have been running Big Nick or Farmer and still would have been done over!
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-14-2024
(07-14-2024, 12:12 AM)LP link Wrote:[member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] I understand your points, but a couple of clarifications.Hewett is playing in the twos, Kennedy was fit to play as the sub.....if they are injured or carrying injuries then rest and dont play them at all. We have a series of lighter games coming up, I would have managed players vs lesser teams.
I suspect Hewett, Kennedy and some others are carrying injuries, it's the only thing that explains MC decisions, nursing these blokes through the main season to get them to finals in good enough condition to have an impact.
Our Midfield was down, but we have Cerra back, we don't expect our midfield to perform less competently when you add Cerra but as you mention he's out of form which should probably be expected from a player who has missed so much footy. But now is the time to run him into form and match fitness, not a week before finals.
btw., I often think AFL strength and condition coaches get it wrong, they go too far in the strength and not enough in the condition stuff. Cerra looked heavy and slow, his legs looked significantly bulkier, but he has lost some pace. He like our other Mids needs every trace of pace they can muster.
We brought Cottrell straight back, perhaps the MC honouring a promise to player who lose a spot due to injury, but he's come back in stone cold out of form and having little impact. Same timing issue applies to Cottrell, if we are going to carry him at any stage it has to be now, not in 4 or 5 weeks time!
I get you comment about TDK being in the midfield less, but he can't go the full season like that and not break down, and technically Pitto averages more clearances than TDK. The suggestion we lose clearances is not correct, if we lose anything it's spread, but even yesterday Pitto delivered first possession to a team-mate multiple times and they immediately turned it over.
Pittonet might average more clearances but I'm backing TDK to win the vital ones and have more impact with the ones he gets.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Baggers - 07-14-2024
Anyone else pick up on Vossy's dig at umpires re Weiters copping knocks to the back without acknowledgement? (This was in response to a question from a journo re why Weiters was doubled up at one stage?)
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 07-14-2024
(07-14-2024, 12:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Pittonet might average more clearances but I'm backing TDK to win the vital ones and have more impact with the ones he gets.Both rucks won contested centre clearances with solo efforts and disposed on the ball forward only to find our forwards behind outpointed by opponents, the ball was then run off our HF to generate a scoring opportunity for the opposition.
The problem wasn't the ruck or Mids, on the turnover they never got with 30m of the footy after it left our HF, to be in the contest they would have needed to be heading to the wing before PItto or TDK even kicked it!
We can't develop tactics for such turnovers, we have to assume when we win the footy and head forward we will win some contests, we won hardly any.
Add to that, do fans even recall Harry or Charlie contested marking on the wing or the HBF in the exit roll, we just can't plan for that happening?
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Thryleon - 07-14-2024
(07-13-2024, 11:31 PM)Baggers link Wrote:I thought it was midday?right you are I must have read it wrong. Not sure why I ommitted a 1
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - madbluboy - 07-14-2024
We brought Cerra and Cottrell back too soon.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 07-14-2024
(07-14-2024, 12:29 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:We brought Cerra and Cottrell back too soon.Depends whether you think the reason is to win this week or in September, maybe the problem isn't bringing them back early, but bringing too many of them back at the same time. Cerra, Marchbank, Cottrell, and potentially with some blokes playing injured, TDK, Kennedy, Weitering even Charlie!
But I assert, if we have to do that, then now is better than 4 or 5 weeks from now.