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Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - RiverRat - 04-14-2024
(04-13-2024, 09:38 AM)Baggers link Wrote:bringing in Pitto only weakened TDK (selection table stuff-up)
Replacing Cerra (a strong both-ways midfielder) with Pitto was dumb - not that Pitto played badly but it upset team balance.
It also reduced TDK's opportunity to influence the game and kept McKay from having a run on the ball, thereby lessening his opportunity to influence the game.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - RiverRat - 04-14-2024
(04-13-2024, 12:42 PM)crashlander link Wrote:allowed the Adelaide forwards far too much space.Credit the Cows' game plan and the lack of pressure on kickers from our midfielders (without Cerra).
Walker seems to have Weitering beaten between the ears.
Weitering consistently zoned off Walker by a ridiculously wide margin (and lacked the closing speed to even get to the contests) in the hope of being in charge of the defence but the unpressured Cows easily bypassed him with precise kicking to position. Walker is not a great overhead mark and the faster Kemp would have been a much better match up.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Lods - 04-14-2024
The two Ruck option is not just a matter of replacing a tall for a more mobile mid/forward/defender.
It's a little more complicated than that.
There are a number of other variables that come into play.
There is a flow on effect for multiple other positions.
The roles played by TDK, Harry, even Kennedy change to some extent.
Of course that can have an impact on performance
Initially that can be unsettling to a side.
If it's to be persisted with it's something that would take time to fine tune.
The alternative is to scrap it completely and consign one ruck to a season of VFL
Given all that.
And also given the understanding that a ruck on the bench reduced mid-field rotations, which was further complicated by injuries.
Pittonet played 50% of the game.
TDK played 75%
Was there a difference in our effectiveness or style of play in the lengthy times when one ruck was off the ground?
For much of the game we did play only one ruck.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - shawny - 04-15-2024
(04-14-2024, 01:33 PM)RiverRat link Wrote:Replacing Cerra (a strong both-ways midfielder) with Pitto was dumb - not that Pitto played badly but it upset team balance.
It also reduced TDK's opportunity to influence the game and kept McKay from having a run on the ball, thereby lessening his opportunity to influence the game.
Spot on!
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - kruddler - 04-15-2024
(04-14-2024, 11:04 PM)Lods link Wrote:The two Ruck option is not just a matter of replacing a tall for a more mobile mid/forward/defender.
It's a little more complicated than that.
There are a number of other variables that come into play.
There is a flow on effect for multiple other positions.
The roles played by TDK, Harry, even Kennedy change to some extent.
Of course that can have an impact on performance
Initially that can be unsettling to a side.
If it's to be persisted with it's something that would take time to fine tune.
The alternative is to scrap it completely and consign one ruck to a season of VFL
Given all that.
And also given the understanding that a ruck on the bench reduced mid-field rotations, which was further complicated by injuries.
Pittonet played 50% of the game.
TDK played 75%
Was there a difference in our effectiveness or style of play in the lengthy times when one ruck was off the ground?
For much of the game we did play only one ruck.
Firstly, given the injuries we had, and still only played 2 rucks for a half and 3/4's of a game, it showed how little we used 2 rucks at once.
There was a ruck off the ground for 3/4's of the game.
The question should be, watching the game, can you tell if/when we had 2 rucks on the ground?
There didn't appear to be any on-field benefit to having 2 rucks. Its hard to quantify how much it hurt us by having 2 rucks.
But, what is clear is that we took up a large part of the game, 3'4s to be exact, with a ruck on the pine. That time would've been better suited to a smaller (mid/flanker type) as that 50%* game time would've been better off sharing between 10 other mid/flanker types. (*50% rather than 75% because TDK would still have 75% game time, so we only gain Pittonets time on the bench).
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - DJC - 04-15-2024
What I learned at the footy on Saturday:
1. Sam Walsh is an absolute star. He looked sharp in the warm up, started the game well and got better as the game wore on. Brent Harvey worked with Sam's cohort prior to the draft and, although there was a lot of talent, he always felt that Sam's work ethic would make him the best of the bunch. He's not wrong!
2. Jacob Weitering conceded the ball to Tex Walker on too many occasions. I'm not sure why but Weiters didn't go with him or gave up on the contest.
3. I no longer have any understanding of the rules of the game or how the game is officiated.
3. I know a lot of Carlton supporters think that Nathan Williamson is always against us but Andrew Adair took it to a whole new level.
4. There may be games where it makes sense to have Pittonet and De Koning in the 22. Playing the Crows isn't one of them.
5. Not many supporters, or at least those in my row, can watch a quarter of footy without having to get up for a slash, drink or what passes for food.
6. Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.
7. When you're travelling on an unfamiliar train line, check whether you need to change trains :
I really don't know how we lost that game. We should have won comfortably but poor kicking for goal let us down and unbelievable accuracy from the Crows got them over the line.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - kruddler - 04-15-2024
(04-15-2024, 04:16 AM)DJC link Wrote:7. When you're travelling on an unfamiliar train line, check whether you need to change trains :
Hurstbridge / Mernda ??
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - LordLucifer - 04-15-2024
Kicking for goal was simply atrocious, 14.14 to 16.4 cannot be tolerated.
Durdin & Fantasia are always passengers, Acres has gone backwards, Boyd is grossly over-rated, Owies is inconsistent & Williams was a complete lost cause.
We are kidding ourselves if we think 50/50 players are going to take us to the promised land. Our best is very good but we have to play at that level every week for the full 100-minutes.
Extremely disappointed ..... make that embarrassed, by that performance.
Clearly we did not learn a thing from last week's fortutitous win. Our players were only too happy to rejoice & backslap each other for a win we didn't deserve when they should have been harder at it this week to show they deserved the benefit of that brain-fade.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Lods - 04-15-2024
Coach votes
Round 5 votes:
9 - Sam Walsh (CARL)
9 - Izak Rankine (ADEL)
5 - Taylor Walker (ADEL)
3 - Jake Soligo (ADEL)
2 - Ben Keays (ADEL)
1 - Mitchell Hinge (ADEL)
1 - Charlie Curnow (CARL)
Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - kruddler - 04-15-2024
(04-15-2024, 07:09 AM)LordLucifer link Wrote:Kicking for goal was simply atrocious, 14.14 to 16.4 cannot be tolerated.In fairness, we did have 5 rushed behinds (they had 0)
So it was essentially 14.9 to 16.4, and we had at least 1 hit the post, and 1 go down as touched when it was a goal. So its not so bad when you dive down into it.
It was more of a case of them not being able to miss more than it was our bad kicking.