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Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - Lods - 03-16-2024
(03-16-2024, 02:11 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You can also ruin a player and his confidence by gifting them games before they are ready for it.
Dow and O'Brien immediately spring to mind.
Doubley so for young rucks/kpps.
The Dow and O'Brien situation was an intersting one.
Bolton played them early and they seemed to be going OK.
Teague came in and reverted to his more experienced group.
Have a look at Dow's stats in 2018-2019 and you can actually see the point where it goes off the rails.
"Rounds 12-13 2019."
I don't think DeKoning has been damaged by being 'gifted' games early.
I think he's been managed well, getting games and experience as it was considered he needed that exposure.
He's progressing well over the last two seasons...and the best may be yet to come.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-16-2024
Dow and Obrien continued playing U18's footy at senior level and couldnt handle the pressure being thrown in at the deep end and the expectations of being top ten picks. TDK was pick 30 and with that comes less expectation and being a big bloke always had some leeway and allowance for a slower development if needed. Like his brother though he has always looked comfortable and has made steady progress to the point now he is the clear No 1 ruck at the club like his brother who is the clear No 1 key defender at Geelong. Will be interesting to see how Paddy Dow goes at the Saints and the expectations that Lyon and SOS put on him along with the rank and file.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - kruddler - 03-16-2024
(03-16-2024, 02:52 AM)Lods link Wrote:I don't think DeKoning has been damaged by being 'gifted' games early.I wasn't suggesting we have damaged him. Just pointing out that its more complex than simply play the kids and get them up to speed.
I think he's been managed well, getting games and experience as it was considered he needed that exposure.
He's progressing well over the last two seasons...and the best may be yet to come.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - DJC - 03-16-2024
(03-15-2024, 07:26 AM)laj link Wrote:A first for me too. If he didn't get his foot to it, it was unfortunately a free kick.
And Charlie is adamant that he did get a boot to the ball ?
I know that there’s often a rush of blood in that situation, and there’s the desire to avoid the pressure of a set shot; as per the Sheriff against Melbourne. However, game awareness should mean taking the set shot after milking 30 seconds from the clock.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-16-2024
(03-15-2024, 08:48 AM)Smurfy link Wrote:I really think that everyone needs to rememeber who Lewis Young is, he is a a backup and as a backup we need to have a little more faith in him, look where we would be without him? think about that get onboard and pump up his tyres a little , whilst he is down a little support from all may prove to be a benefit . he wasnt picked up to be the main man.I thought he did very well the other night. Sure panicked a few times and got out positioned and out muscled but that happens to the best. His DE was very high (90s IIRC) which is good. You cant ask for any more than what he has delivered in the last two weeks.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - northernblue - 03-16-2024
Yeah, if Young was our main man you’d be nervous but he’s designed to be a stand in or accomplice for Weiters, he’s doing ok in Weiters absence.
Will he hold his place when Weiters is fit…?
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - Lods - 03-16-2024
(03-16-2024, 03:56 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I wasn't suggesting we have damaged him. Just pointing out that its more complex than simply play the kids and get them up to speed.
No doubt.
And the folks in the best position to make those decisions are those who work closest with them.
In the past there's been some fair criticism of the way we develop players.
'Development' has taken a back seat to 'results' at times.
I'd like to think we're maybe getting better at that with the current regime in place.
Binns is probably a good example of how we're taking a more measured approach.
Despite calls for his inclusion towards the end of last season, after some great form in the VFL, there was a resistance to pull the switch.
I'm sure we'll see him at some stage this year.
But in the end the greatest benefits for his development will come when he starts mixing it at AFL level.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - DJC - 03-16-2024
(03-16-2024, 04:49 AM)northernblue link Wrote:Yeah, if Young was our main man you’d be nervous but he’s designed to be a stand in or accomplice for Weiters, he’s doing ok in Weiters absence.
Will he hold his place when Weiters is fit…?
I reckon he will.
As I wrote above, Weitering's presence helps all of our defenders and Young will have the added benefit of not standing the opposition's best tall forward for most of the game.
As much as I like Kemp, it's a huge ask for him to stand the likes of Nick Larkey or Coleman-Jones. You need gorilla minders to play on the gorillas and, on this year's form, Young is up to the task.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - pinot - 03-16-2024
Im a fan for young and think he is above average AFL key defender.
Issue I have we cant have too many players that lack run in the back half. Despite Kemp not being a gorilla he provides plenty of rebound and disposal ability . We have a lot of hybrid defenders - Kemp, Gov, Marchy with Weitering, Saad and Williams, Newman and Boyd can take on any forward mix and provide plenty moving forward
Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-16-2024
(03-16-2024, 02:13 PM)pinot link Wrote:Im a fan for young and think he is above average AFL key defender.Marchbank will be delisted at years end and shouldn't be on our plans. Too unreliable from the point of view of getting on the park.
Issue I have we cant have too many players that lack run in the back half. Despite Kemp not being a gorilla he provides plenty of rebound and disposal ability . We have a lot of hybrid defenders - Kemp, Gov, Marchy with Weitering, Saad and Williams, Newman and Boyd can take on any forward mix and provide plenty moving forward