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Re: China - Lods - 06-08-2022
The world's a little bit rooted at the moment and it kind of has a feeling of inevitability that it's going to blow somewhere.
It's not a simple situation, as treaties and alliances seem to be intertwined and in some cases conflicting.
How any Australian Government can limit our exposure to threats, and at the same time fulfill our obligations under such treaties is not an easy task.
Re: China - capcom - 06-08-2022
This isn't a turnbull kicking session but he was responsible for the french submarines deal. A complete stuff up.
Re: China - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-09-2022
(06-08-2022, 12:39 PM)Lods link Wrote:The world's a little bit rooted at the moment and it kind of has a feeling of inevitability that it's going to blow somewhere.Agree, its not a good time to inherit Government after a Pandemic, with high inflation leading to high interest rates across the globe due to supply/demand issues and with all the hot spots developing and countries having to act quickly and make important decisions on how they will spend their budgets with pressure of issues like climate change, wages growth vs defense spending etc and work out who their friends are.
It's not a simple situation, as treaties and alliances seem to be intertwined and in some cases conflicting.
How any Australian Government can limit our exposure to threats, and at the same time fulfill our obligations under such treaties is not an easy task.
Re: China - Gointocarlton - 06-09-2022
(06-08-2022, 12:39 PM)Lods link Wrote:The world's a little bit rooted at the moment and it kind of has a feeling of inevitability that it's going to blow somewhere.Also, with a population of 26M and our geographic location, we are a pimple on the worlds ass. We have zero buying power when it comes to supply of things like cars, medical supplies, building materials etc. I have mates that work for Toyota, they have told me many time how low we are on the pecking order in terms of getting cars. People crapcan companies like big bad CSL, if they weren't here in Australia manufacturing the speciliast drugs they do, we'd be forked.
It's not a simple situation, as treaties and alliances seem to be intertwined and in some cases conflicting.
How any Australian Government can limit our exposure to threats, and at the same time fulfill our obligations under such treaties is not an easy task.
Re: China - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-15-2022
https://au.yahoo.com/news/chinas-ominous-move-military-operations-other-than-war-233355216.html
I wouldnt be bothered with wasting the air fuel on envoys, foreign minister visits and talking peace with these lovely folk, be the same waste of time when Britain and France tried to talk sweet nothings to Hitler while he was arming his country to its eyeballs and preparing for war. Its clear China havent spent all this money on the military to play wargames amongst themselves and want the real thing and have some targets in mind. ie Taiwan as the article suggests.
I do like their sense of humor though and how they manage to talk disaster relief, humanitarian aid, escort, and peacekeeping, as well as safeguarding China’s national sovereignty, security and development interests as reasons for Xi making it legal in China for them to make war on anyone they choose...legal basis to make war?????. Very nice PR for the local Chinese folk who the regime want to convince its all good now to send them off and right is on their side.
Anyone in Taiwan with somewhere else to go might want to think about a quick exit.......
Re: China - Mav - 06-15-2022
Not sure why you think diplomacy is useless. Without it, we’re at the mercy of a much bigger military unless the US military will intervene. Using diplomacy to understand the opponent and convey our positions clearly is better than twiddling our thumbs. And it’s better than using bluster or megaphone diplomacy as Dutton and Co. loved to do.
Fortunately, we rely on Embassies staffed by experienced public servants rather than political friends and donors which is the US model. Having a PM & Foreign Minister who act in accordance with the best advice is much better than creating political dramas for domestic political advantage.
Re: China - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-15-2022
(06-15-2022, 06:47 AM)Mav link Wrote:Not sure why you think diplomacy is useless. Without it, we’re at the mercy of a much bigger military unless the US military will intervene. Using diplomacy to understand the opponent and convey our positions clearly is better than twiddling our thumbs. And it’s better than using bluster or megaphone diplomacy as Dutton and Co. loved to do.Not sure why you think China are interested in being diplomatic about anything? Convey our position and understand our opponent? You would have to be living under a rock on Mars not to know our position and understand how delicately balanced things are with our Chinese opponent(good choice of words, I like opponent) .
Fortunately, we rely on Embassies staffed by experienced public servants rather than political friends and donors which is the US model. Having a PM & Foreign Minister who act in accordance with the best advice is much better than creating political dramas for domestic political advantage.
Begging to the Chinese to take their boot of our throat will only work if we give up something and I hope you dont mean selling Taiwan down the Yangtze river, ending our military agreements with the USA and then calling that a diplomatic solution....Bravo Penny and Albo.....if they chose that route.
Re: China - capcom - 06-15-2022
(06-15-2022, 06:10 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:https://au.yahoo.com/news/chinas-ominous-move-military-operations-other-than-war-233355216.html
they manage to talk disaster relief, humanitarian aid, escort, and peacekeeping, as well as safeguarding China’s national sovereignty, security and development interests as reasons for Xi making it legal in China for them to make war on anyone they choose...legal basis to make war?????. Very nice PR
Peacekeeping? Under their rules of course
Re: China - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-15-2022
(06-15-2022, 08:22 AM)capcom link Wrote:Peacekeeping? Under their rules of courseThe Mafia used to call it Protection and charge for the service, the Chinese are offering it for free how nice are they??
Re: China - Mav - 06-15-2022
Strange that you think diplomacy is useful only if you can bend the other side to our will.
Maybe we should save money by pulling out our Embassy and consulate staff in China. Then we can kick out the Chinese embassy staff. If we ever need to send them a message, we could follow in the footsteps of Dutton by doing it via the Australian media or perhaps we could do it via the French now we’re back on terms with them.