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Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - IvanAwfulbigone - 09-14-2020
Carlton, the club that keeps on giving ... to everyone except its supporters.
Want a fairytale end to your career?
Want to get your season back on track?
Unwanted by any other club but still need some pocket money?
Who ya’ gonna call?
Teague should make them watch the Cathy Freeman doco that aired last night.
Poor little flowers consistently wilt when a modicum of pressure is applied. Pressure? Pfft, they wouldn’t know what pressure is.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - LordLucifer - 09-14-2020
(09-14-2020, 01:06 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:Carlton, the club that keeps on giving ... to everyone except its supporters.
Want a fairytale end to your career?
Want to get your season back on track?
Unwanted by any other club but still need some pocket money?
Who ya’ gonna call?
Teague should make them watch the Cathy Freeman doco that aired last night.
Poor little flowers consistently wilt when a modicum of pressure is applied. Pressure? Pfft, they wouldn’t know what pressure is.
Nailed it !!
Undoubtedly, that was the most embarrassing and insipid performance of the season. Playing the bottom team, we were expected to beat them, not go into the sheds at half-time 44-points down.
A goal-less opening quarter followed by just the one on the second, who the feck do we think we are ?? We didn't kick our second goal for the match until the 11-min mark of the third ............ what more does it take for the alarm bells to ring in the coaches box and amongst the senior players ??
I am absolutely pissed off with our "co-captains" too !!
Docherty has been 'average' at best this year and he was on track to register another sub-par game until he got injured. What totally blew my mind was his ambitious kick backwards over his head whilst standing on the boundary line. He seemed surprised that it went OOB, talk about a low percentage play and completely irresponsible behaviour. Can you imagine the roasting a newbie would have copped it he tried that shiit on ??
Cripps has been a non-event most of the season. His set-shot kicking for goal is appalling, and that is being polite. He missed a soda that we badly needed, in fact he missed it by a fair bit too.
A little later, he bobbed up with some run, dash, baulks and the like and nailed a ripper goal. Thing is, he burnt two team-mates in the process, thank feck he kicked accurately (maybe it was a fluke).
However, what galled me the most was his actions straight after kicking that goal. To put this into some perspective, he had done ziltch, nada, jacks!t up until that goal. He nails that one for his highlight reel and instead of running straight back to the centre for the next bounce and fire up his team-mates (like a good leader would do), he runs to towards the boundary line and does a "how good am I" pose for the sycophant adoring Carlton fans.
Sorry, that is not what I want to see from our captain, I'm sick to freakin' death of seeing Carlton players 'show-boating' after doing something good. We know it was good, we saw you do it, we don't need the theatrics and grandstanding.
We want to see the team win, not a handful of individual highlights. This typifies the mindset amongst the players, its all about them, not the team.
Sadly, we are a long way from where we want to be because we are hedging our bets on a number of players who are VFL standard at best. Time to do some ruthless trades and bring in some mongrels and toe-cutters !!
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - LP - 09-14-2020
(09-14-2020, 01:28 AM)LordLucifer date Wrote:Docherty has been 'average' at best this year and he was on track to register another sub-par game until he got injured. What totally blew my mind was his ambitious kick backwards over his head whilst standing on the boundary line. He seemed surprised that it went OOB, talk about a low percentage play and completely irresponsible behaviour.Sorry, but I think this misses the mark.
I think that comment is a confusion of what a player can do, what fans would like them to do like the old days and what they must do under the current rule implementation, it is a situation caused by poor AFL Management not the players.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - WASurfer - 09-14-2020
Been saying it on these forums for a couple of years.....until we draft/trade in players who can actually kick properly, we're destined for the lower regions of the ladder for a few more years. I doubt you'd find anyone you would say is "elite" with ball in hand on our list. That first 15 minutes yesterday was as bad as it's been....against the bottom side. When i saw that Walker and Talia were outs for them, I thought yep, this is one where we can actually dominate and win by a bit of a margin....maybe the players and coaches went into it with the same mindset?
Absolutely p#ss poor skills and footy smarts again. During the game a graphic was put up about consecutive goals conceded by us in each game this year and it made for scary reading...in fact it's been a blight on Teague's coaching tenure to date IMO.
Read this morning that Papley has committed to Sydney so maybe time to put a line through that one. If we can't trade in one or two very, very good midfielders with elite kicking skills, then we're up against it. Use our first round draft picks (this year and next if needed) and chase some Free Agents like Williams from GWS.
And don't get me started on McGovern....got a few late possessions but when the heat was on in that first quarter he was as he has been the last few weeks, a non-entity. If any club is stupid enough to be prepared to take him on, then we should do that deal.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - madbluboy - 09-14-2020
It's laj's fault. He started talking about 90 point margins to overtake Melbourne right before the game which got me thinking about it and I'm a massive jinx.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - madbluboy - 09-14-2020
(09-14-2020, 01:28 AM)LordLucifer link Wrote:However, what galled me the most was his actions straight after kicking that goal. To put this into some perspective, he had done ziltch, nada, jacks!t up until that goal. He nails that one for his highlight reel and instead of running straight back to the centre for the next bounce and fire up his team-mates (like a good leader would do), he runs to towards the boundary line and does a "how good am I" pose for the sycophant adoring Carlton fans.
Sorry, that is not what I want to see from our captain, I'm sick to freakin' death of seeing Carlton players 'show-boating' after doing something good. We know it was good, we saw you do it, we don't need the theatrics and grandstanding.
It was just weird. That's the sort of celebration you do when you seal the game not when you have been getting smashed and just missed a sitter from 30 metres out.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - Blue Moon - 09-14-2020
Winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. Carlton brought Barassi over to instill a winning culture into the Blues in the 1960's. This culture prevailed for three decades as Carlton became the League's power house. Elliot and his cronies destroyed the culture by instilling the belief that the only way you can win is by cheating. (Essendon followed that lead by instilling the belief that you can only win by being drug cheats.) We have addressed the cheating side of the cultural issues but we have yet to address the winning side of the is equation. We have got our administration right whereby we are financial viable and profitable even with a team producing crap results on field. We have built a squad that is young and talented with enormous potential, but we have yet to instill the desire to win. It is easy to have heroic defeats and the occasional come from behind incredible victories. It is hard to turn up week in week out and play to win. While it was great that Simpson and Murphy chaired off Gibbs at the end of the game, it would have better if they chaired him off after we had beaten Adelaide. I think Teague was a bit frustrated by this.
Back in the late 80's, a guy named Ian Herman kicked four goals in his first or second game for Carlton, he was dropped the following to allow a named player a game. We subsequently lost the next match. I always wondered about the message that was sent whereby it didn't matter how well you played, Carlton was always going to play the name players. That was the start of the drift in my book. It is the same with Cottrell. He takes the big mark, kicks the winning goal and doesn't play the next week. I understand he was probably starting to tire due to the work load, but what is the message we are sending to the playing group. Winning the game isn't important. Once again we played the name player, Docherty, with the dodgy leg who doesn't last out a quarter.
There is nothing wrong with our administration, there is nothing wrong with the playing list and there is nothing wrong with the coaching, what is wrong is whether the culture is focused on winning.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - pew2 - 09-14-2020
our game plan is F...k.n WRONG and the coaches have to take responsibility,we have lost games in the same manner for years.I would like to know how every week our opposition forward line has so much space and 1v1 contest ,room to lead into and now compare it to our forward line .
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - Micky0 - 09-14-2020
You can’t knock Cripps for enjoying an amazing feat - he is the first that hits the deck and swears when we lose games. He does care. He is allowed to be happy and show that when he’s solely created something. He is not dumb, he would’ve been livid with himself about missing that set shot. He is the least of our problems.
Agree re Cottrell. I would’ve much prefer him or give a youngster like Dow Honey whoever, another go, rather than that pisstaker McGovern.
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide - flyboy77 - 09-14-2020
(09-14-2020, 05:05 AM)pew2 link Wrote:our game plan is F...k.n WRONG and the coaches have to take responsibility,we have lost games in the same manner for years.I would like to know how every week our opposition forward line has so much space and 1v1 contest ,room to lead into and now compare it to our forward line .yep.