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Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - Printable Version +- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com) +-- Forum: Princes Park (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-4.html) +--- Forum: Robert Heatley Stand (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-14.html) +--- Thread: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood (/thread-4882.html) |
Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 08-31-2020 I thought for a moment that we did well, generally, against a hardened finalist until analysing where that finalist was at... ordinary form and missing a few key personnel. Then it became clear... if we were fair-dinkum we should have accounted for this mob also considering all that was at stake. We're still a fair way off being a bona fide finalist. We're about where we deserve to be. The Good: Zachery... quick and creative, personally much prefer him in the midfield Setterfield's development... plus his tackles stick. Has a footy brain/IQ Walsh... leader Weitering... leader Jones... fair-dinkum effort and attitude Curnow's consistency & reliability We have definitely improved on previous years - much better %, in more games, no more hidings. The Bad: Midfield - forward line connect... it's as if they speak different languages or are playing different games. Rottingwood was there for the taking but their breathtaking confusion was telling and cost us, and was a joy to behold for Buckley. The talent is there, they just don't seem to understand each other! Our in-game inconsistency was on glorious display... 7 goal 1st half, SFA in the 2nd half. The Sad: Casboult's form... such a confidence player. Woeful contribution, or lack thereof H. So much talent but seemingly clueless between the lugholes Pittonet's 'pavement paws' when trying to mark Cripps. Looks like he's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders and in some ways, he is. Banged up body, trying to do too much, goal kicking yips and Mon back in Melbourne. Too often you could see Crippa just jogging between contests... might be lots of justification, but it aint good enough and sets a bad example. Harsh to say, but true. Murphy's hesitancy. Too much waiting for the ball to come to him, though he did try the facts are he can no longer 'create' what he used to be able to 'create.' Another year? Who will he keep out? Money could be better spent elsewhere? Simmo. Still better than too many - and he shouldn't be. Time has caught up with him Doc's drop in confidence. Effort is sure there, but seems confused at critical moments... That we still play Gibbons out of position That we lack creativity from the coaching box on game day That our stubbornness to stick with too many talls, remains (TDK & Meat rucking, means Kennedy (for example) could have come in for Pitto). Such a lack of balance. All in all, we're improving but yesterday against Rottingwood was a shocker and a poor reflection of the capability of our group - well, most of them. Rottingwood applied enormous pressure in the 3rd and we didn't cave... didn't do anything else, but didn't cave in. As for the 4th... Finals might be a distant dim light now, but we still have 4 games remaining to give development and hope and finish the season on a high... we need to do this to convince potential suitors that we're going somewhere and that investing their lives with us would be a good decision. I'm optimistic about the remainder of the season. Let's get some ruthlessness into the place, especially into the coaching group. How do we get Hodge into the place and some of the hangeron-erers out? We're still too nice. And I would seriously consider a mentor for Teague. (Intentionally didn't say anything about Dow or Polson. Neither has played senior footy for a long time and it's a big jump into the seniors from this makeshift Magoos competition). Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - flyboy77 - 08-31-2020 They all had a shocker ala the last 3 quarters against the Hawks.... Zac Williams is a priority - way ahead of Papley. Papley is icing on the cake.... Many 'moments' again - TDK's 'mark (well, a free for arm chopping) not paid just on the HT siren. Martin not taking a shot. Tall forwards missing 95% of marks. in good conditions. All over, too many, even in H1 trying to be cute. Ball movement was slow and predictable. And nothing changed all day. We made them look good - they are ordinary (bar a few). Teague - 2/10 - picking Dow and Polson. Is Kennedy still injured? Cuners played in the 2s. Moves on the day? Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - flyboy77 - 08-31-2020 ps Jack Martin 10 disposals - needs a rocket. Play him in the midfield for a whole bloody game. Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-31-2020 I doubt Martin is up to a full midfield rotation, I suspect it would break him rather than fix him and doing that stuff only interferes with the regular midfield group. Is he ever going to be more than that player who give 5 min here and there? To me he looks exactly that type of 5 minute player, a guy who has tricks and kicks 3 in a quarter and then you don't see him again, they are hard to find and you have to have one or two of them but they never give you 4 quarters. Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-31-2020 Martin has got comfy and gone back to his GC form....not enough ball and lazy disposal. No plan B down forward....Casboult and McKay didnt have a size advantage like they usually do and we bombed the ball to them and they couldnt out mark Moore and Roughead. Who ever played on Crisp should be dropped for their refusal to man him up, think we are the worst team for manning up in the comp, reckon the Pies unconstested marking stats would be high. Cripps needs a rest, he is shot, couldnt get away from an old timer in Pendles and his kicking is worse every week... We were lazy in the coaching box, on the field and it cost us... Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - WASurfer - 08-31-2020 Agreed EB....but Cripps' disposal by foot has never been a strong point....which makes it even harder to comprehend that we haven't drafted or targeted elite ball users over the last few years. We simply don't have enough of them in our team. I know McKay and Levi had quiet games but it must be frustrating to have the ball put over your head or 5 feet in front of you....or direct to an opposition player so often. Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - laj - 08-31-2020 (08-31-2020, 12:11 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I thought for a moment that we did well, generally, against a hardened finalist until analysing where that finalist was at... ordinary form and missing a few key personnel. Then it became clear... if we were fair-dinkum we should have accounted for this mob also considering all that was at stake. We're still a fair way off being a bona fide finalist. We're about where we deserve to be. Notice Levi's form's dropped off since we started playing 2 rucks? Always has in the past. He's a forward/ruck not a forward per se. When he gets a run in the ruck he gets confidence from getting his hands on the ball. He carries that confidence then back to the forward line. As a forward, in a low scoring scrappy season with crappy delivery, it makes with very tough for all our forwards. Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-31-2020 (08-31-2020, 01:53 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:Agreed EB....but Cripps' disposal by foot has never been a strong point....which makes it even harder to comprehend that we haven't drafted or targeted elite ball users over the last few years. We simply don't have enough of them in our team. I know McKay and Levi had quiet games but it must be frustrating to have the ball put over your head or 5 feet in front of you....or direct to an opposition player so often.Surfie...Cripps looks tired when he kicks like he has no energy, maybe the off field stuff with his GF is weighing him down. Harry and LeviĀ have been used to outmarking smaller players one on one and needed to demand the ball more on the lead rather than encouraging our mids just to bomb it everytime....maybe that was a coaching issue. Teague seemed paralyzed in the box and couldnt think his way through problems in this game... Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - laj - 08-31-2020 (08-30-2020, 10:42 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Daicos found a lot of space which we didn't respect, he used his pace to hurt to us. I got sick of hearing that 40 years ago...lol. Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood - laj - 08-31-2020 Must admit, things was better than it was mid last year. I just like the fact we are still talking finals, even if we miss out, rather than the no.1 pick. Make a big change! |