(07-31-2020, 11:57 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Thought the players let Teague down, hallmark of his coaching is if we go down we go down swinging. This game after the Hawks upped the pressure we gave in, weak contests, lazy chasing, avoiding heavy contact and waiting for a teammate to do the
work. Too many of our players give inconsistent effort and that's a tough problem for any coach.
We had probably three decent players for the game... Playing group and leaders need condemning and not the coach..

(08-01-2020, 12:40 AM)PaulP date Wrote:One area that really sticks out is the uncontested game. When you see such a large discrepancy between the two teams, the first two things I think of are structure and work rate. if they're taking too many uncontested marks and the ball is moving forward, it's too easy to gain territory, and if we lose the ground ball uncontested, it's too many easy chains of possession to break away from congestion. That's where they really smashed us IMO. The contested game was a lot more even, although they were still slightly ahead. After 1/4 time, they were simply hungrier and prepared to work harder in my view.

(08-01-2020, 12:46 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:One other thing I noted apart from the fumbling yesterday was the number of times there was a ball to be at ground level and our blokes stood around and watch each other only to have a Hawthorn player grab it and take it away. Thats weak IMO, scared for the contest.

(08-01-2020, 12:50 AM)LP link Wrote:Personally, I fell it's been that way all season, I said as much in the pre-game thread. I think it was just a matter of time before a better ball using team exposed it, when we loose the football we look out of the contests. It's just that when we can maintain enough football it is a hidden defect, last night they dominated possession and once they got it outside we couldn't get it back.

(07-31-2020, 11:41 PM)Baggers link Wrote:We're the club that has two speeds plus a once a year meeting with a 'Dishlishers' who we easily account for.

Speed one is a narrow loss or win. Speed two is being easily accounted for and as I mentioned, speed 3 is reserved for one game a year when we win comfortably... a la Dishlickers at the present moment. We could just as easily be sitting 2nd bottom with one win at present.

What exactly is our culture; our brand? Seems pretty mysterious to me. Something like, 'when things are going our way we finesse and look fantastic and kick goals... until our opponents turn up, apply pressure, then we go to water.' Seems when we're ferocious, we do well but that ferocity is very conditional and fluctuates and is entirely dependent upon what the opposition does... it's apparently a very moody ferocity.

Our conservatism at the selection table is telling and needs changing. I understand we want to send a message to blokes that we trust them and that they belong... but there should be another message, 'perform poorly and you're out, plenty of blokes/newbies who deserve a gig to take your place'.

When we were desperate against the Dawks how 'individual' did we play... holy mackerel, so many trying to be the 'saviour'... symptom of poor discipline and no culture/brand.

As for individuals... what the hec is up with Crippa? Doc troubled by attention and lack of freedom... there go the skippers. Cuningham does his usual invisible man stunt for extended periods and then gives us hope with a sublime goal, only to shrink away again. Murphy makes demoralising errors... and when a leader (?) does that the negative ripple effect is influential. What you see with SPS is what happens when a creative bloke is given a negative role.

I wonder if the coaching ranks need a Ross Lyon... someone who understands high levels of discipline and has a bit of shizen on his liver to pass on to others. Our niceness is a serious issue, and not in a good way.

We need to make some very hard decisions at year's end re personnel and assistant coaches.

(08-01-2020, 12:50 AM)LP link Wrote:Personally, I fell it's been that way all season, I said as much in the pre-game thread. I think it was just a matter of time before a better ball using team exposed it, when we loose the football we look out of the contests. It's just that when we can maintain enough football it is a hidden defect, last night they dominated possession and once they got it outside we couldn't get it back.

(07-31-2020, 11:41 PM)Baggers link Wrote:We're the club that has two speeds plus a once a year meeting with a 'Dishlishers' who we easily account for.

Speed one is a narrow loss or win. Speed two is being easily accounted for and as I mentioned, speed 3 is reserved for one game a year when we win comfortably... a la Dishlickers at the present moment. We could just as easily be sitting 2nd bottom with one win at present.

What exactly is our culture; our brand? Seems pretty mysterious to me. Something like, 'when things are going our way we finesse and look fantastic and kick goals... until our opponents turn up, apply pressure, then we go to water.' Seems when we're ferocious, we do well but that ferocity is very conditional and fluctuates and is entirely dependent upon what the opposition does... it's apparently a very moody ferocity.

Our conservatism at the selection table is telling and needs changing. I understand we want to send a message to blokes that we trust them and that they belong... but there should be another message, 'perform poorly and you're out, plenty of blokes/newbies who deserve a gig to take your place'.

When we were desperate against the Dawks how 'individual' did we play... holy mackerel, so many trying to be the 'saviour'... symptom of poor discipline and no culture/brand.

As for individuals... what the hec is up with Crippa? Doc troubled by attention and lack of freedom... there go the skippers. Cuningham does his usual invisible man stunt for extended periods and then gives us hope with a sublime goal, only to shrink away again. Murphy makes demoralising errors... and when a leader (?) does that the negative ripple effect is influential. What you see with SPS is what happens when a creative bloke is given a negative role.

I wonder if the coaching ranks need a Ross Lyon... someone who understands high levels of discipline and has a bit of shizen on his liver to pass on to others. Our niceness is a serious issue, and not in a good way.

We need to make some very hard decisions at year's end re personnel and assistant coaches.

(07-31-2020, 11:57 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Thought the players let Teague down, hallmark of his coaching is if we go down we go down swinging. This game after the Hawks upped the pressure we gave in, weak contests, lazy chasing, avoiding heavy contact and waiting for a teammate to do the
work. Too many of our players give inconsistent effort and that's a tough problem for any coach.
We had probably three decent players for the game... Playing group and leaders need condemning and not the coach..