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Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 07-01-2018
@Crash
Crash I'd like to get your thoughts an SPS's game yesterday. What's your analysis?
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - crashlander - 07-01-2018
(07-01-2018, 06:05 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:@CrashThere were some good points, but SPS just isn't doing enough. He isn't showing the aggression or the intensity that I'd like to see. There were times when he did show some real magic, but he, more than anyone else, appears to be suffering from 2nd year blues. Only 4 times this year has SPS been in our top 10 players. Considering what he can do, it just isn't enough.
Crash I'd like to get your thoughts an SPS's game yesterday. What's your analysis?
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Lods - 07-01-2018
(07-01-2018, 07:52 AM)crashlander link Wrote:There were some good points, but SPS just isn't doing enough. He isn't showing the aggression or the intensity that I'd like to see. There were times when he did show some real magic, but he, more than anyone else, appears to be suffering from 2nd year blues. Only 4 times this year has SPS been in our top 10 players. Considering what he can do, it just isn't enough.
Yet if he went back to the VFL he'd probably look a million dollars and dominate.
Maybe he needs to do that just as a lesson that he's not above that...but I don't think we'd be much the wiser as to his ability (we know he has the skills) and I don't think he'd learn a lot from the experience developmentally.
It's a difficult one.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - flyboy77 - 07-01-2018
Dropping him will do nada....he still gives a lot more than Polson, Mullet, SOJ etc e tc etc.
For sure, he often appears to cruise but those good enough always looks to have heaps of time. Is he working hard enough defensively? No, but he's not alone!!
He's the least of our worries really....
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Baggers - 07-01-2018
(07-01-2018, 08:08 AM)Lods link Wrote:Yet if he went back to the VFL he'd probably look a million dollars and dominate.
Maybe he needs to do that just as a lesson that he's not above that...but I don't think we'd be much the wiser as to his ability (we know he has the skills) and I don't think he'd learn a lot from the experience developmentally.
It's a difficult one.
Yep, SPS is a quandary. He does hang back for the easier one, but if he gets it he generally hurts the opposition with his possessions... just gotta get him to engage more to get the aggott in his hands more.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - DJC - 07-01-2018
(07-01-2018, 11:37 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Dropping him will do nada....he still gives a lot more than Polson, Mullet, SOJ etc e tc etc.
For sure, he often appears to cruise but those good enough always looks to have heaps of time. Is he working hard enough defensively? No, but he's not alone!!
He's the least of our worries really....
I think that the main problem with Samo is that supporters expect him to be playing like a bloke with 50-100 games experience. In most other teams he would be playing alongside more seasoned players who would take some of the heat off.
Samo’s best is brilliant, his worst is pretty typical of a second year player in the bottom team
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - shawny - 07-02-2018
Unfortunately while we have players of the quality of Graham, Lamb, Mullet, Polson, Garlett and even Jack regularly getting games SPS can't be dropped ahead of them.
Yes he picks and chooses but he is one of our young players with genuine class and clean disposal - lets face it we don't exactly have those sorts in spades. Until we have suitable AFL standard replacements for selection SPS will continue to get away with his lack of two way hard running.
Fact is our bottom six players is our greatest concern by a long way. We carry too many low to non contributors on a weekly basis and dropping a decent footballer for another player not up to it will just increase that problem making winning almost impossible.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 07-02-2018
Don't agree, letting SPS get whipped for too long just builds a hatred and mindset that the club cannot fix.
Normal is not normal, Fisher is the prime example, SPS and others do not even have to look outside the club for an example of what you can be and achieve! This idea of coasting when the things you normally do aren't working is bullsh1t, there is always something you can do even if it means a team-mate benefits more than you or that is causes you some pain. I wish Casboult would take note of that fact!
You should never reward the creation of rubbish, this isn't primary school, we don't all get a gold star for participation!
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - JonHenry - 07-02-2018
I think it really depends what your values are, and how you assess or judge that, effectively what are our non negotiable's.
I believe that is the difference between clubs like the Swans and us. We accept players that pick and choose when they go, as we have a poor list together with a large number of injuries. So as others have said, how can you drop SPS when Mullet and O'Shea are getting games?
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - flyboy77 - 07-02-2018
(07-02-2018, 03:45 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:I think it really depends what your values are, and how you assess or judge that, effectively what are our non negotiable's.
I believe that is the difference between clubs like the Swans and us. We accept players that pick and choose when they go, as we have a poor list together with a large number of injuries. So as others have said, how can you drop SPS when Mullet and O'Shea are getting games?
Exactly.