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Re: Reset Rants - LP - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 05:46 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:re: Weitering...Rance didnt run around trying to avoid contact or have the coach trying to hide him on the field and find a soft opponent for him either.
That's not quite true though is it EB1.
My Nthmond friends tell me Rance's early career was actually quite like the way Liam Jones plays at the moment, A-Grade chook runner trying to fly high and spoil marks everywhere was one description I got! He came good towards the end of his 3rd year, and they put that down to the arrival of Martin, Grigg and Houli that year or before, because they pushed back hard to clean up Rance's spoils.
What Nthmond didn't do, was waste trying to turn the kid into a key forward!
My big question over our club this year is the same as Deags, when we switched to attack we deserted the defenders and it made them look very ordinary, we didn't have the players coming off the HBF or Wing pushing back very hard at all! We still don't, watch the weekends game and closely monitor SPS, Marchbank, Dow and Simmo. It's not about top speed, because they seem to run half speed on the return journey. It leaves us looking outnumbered everywhere!
In fairness to Simmo, he must be full up to pussies bow with it, he looks tired and it's only 25% of the way through the season! But that doesn't mean he gets a free pass to butcher the football, he's got to be much better than the kids, not just the equal of them!
Re: Reset Rants - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 06:06 AM)LP link Wrote:That's not quite true though is it EB1.
My Nthmond friends tell me Rance's early career was actually quite like the way Liam Jones plays at the moment, A-Grade chook runner trying to fly high and spoil marks everywhere was one description I got! He came good towards the end of his 3rd year, and they put that down to the arrival of Martin, Grigg and Houli that year or before, because they pushed back hard to clean up Rance's spoils.
What Nthmond didn't do, was waste trying to turn the kid into a key forward!
My big question over our club this year is the same as Deags, when we switched to attack we deserted the defenders and it made them look very ordinary, we didn't have the players coming off the HBF or Wing pushing back very hard at all! We still don't, watch the weekends game and closely monitor SPS, Marchbank, Dow and Simmo. It's not about top speed, because they seem to run half speed on the return journey. It leaves us looking outnumbered everywhere!
LP ..Rance was inconsistent and a turnover merchant early......my point is JW has become timid, hesitant and doesnt want physical contact, he is also trying to disguise it by
not arriving at contests on time usually late or trying to sneak away from where the action is, his last game there was this half ar$ed spoiling attempt in the back pocket where he arrived late and nowhere near the ball...the kid is shell shocked and needs a major intervention....
Re: Reset Rants - cookie2 - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 06:24 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:LP ..Rance was inconsistent and a turnover merchant early......my point is JW has become timid, hesitant and doesnt want physical contact, he is also trying to disguise it by
not arriving at contests on time usually late or trying to sneak away from where the action is, his last game there was this half ar$ed spoiling attempt in the back pocket where he arrived late and nowhere near the ball...the kid is shell shocked and needs a major intervention....
I would definitely like to see Weiters rehabilitated in the NBs for a few weeks under some close guidance from say ASOS. He cost us too much to not be looking after his development a lot more closely.
Re: Reset Rants - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 06:31 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:I would definitely like to see Weiters rehabilitated in the NBs for a few weeks under some close guidance from say ASOS. He cost us too much to not be looking after his development a lot more closely.
Agree....Needs playing where he can get used to contact, I'd ruck him for parts of games in his rehab in the NB's and build his confidence .
Re: Reset Rants - LP - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 06:24 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:LP ..Rance was inconsistent and a turnover merchant early......my point is JW has become timid, hesitant and doesnt want physical contact, he is also trying to disguise it by
not arriving at contests on time usually late or trying to sneak away from where the action is, his last game there was this half ar$ed spoiling attempt in the back pocket where he arrived late and nowhere near the ball...the kid is shell shocked and needs a major intervention....
I don't agree EB1, I've seen plenty of that happening this season and it's happened to Jones, Plowman and Marchbank as well. But Jones and Weitering have copped the brunt of it because they were the stay at home defenders. They get caught outnumbered and then get a clanger stat because if they win the footy they are disposing of it under pressure.
As for that event you refer to against Norp, you know full well Weitering was stuck between two KPFs and had to move late to get to a contest, by then he was already carrying his 2nd corkie for the match! Even with corkies he still kicked it better than any of our other defenders.
I feel you've got a bee in your bonnet about this kid and are looking for things to cook him over fair or otherwise! Put McKay under the same blow torch, he's the same age, been at the club the same amount of time and offered nothing yet when compared to Weitering's record!
As for how the club has manages the kids, McKay or Charlie break a fingernail and get a week off, Weitering gets to play through his injuries because it builds character! Explain how that works for me?
Re: Reset Rants - cookie2 - 04-30-2018
@ LP
To me McKay exudes confidence and looks like he's having a ball. By comparison Weiters lacks an air of assurance, seems relatively tentative and certainly looks like he is finding the whole experience excruciating. Also seems a bit distant from the other players. Just the impressions I get from his body language.
Re: Reset Rants - LP - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 06:45 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:@ LP
To me McKay exudes confidence and looks like he's having a ball. By comparison Weiters lacks an air of assurance, seems relatively tentative and certainly looks like he is finding the whole experience excruciating. Also seems a bit distant from the other players. Just the impressions I get from his body language.
You do remember Weitering's first season don't you, or his finish to last season, what is McKay's equivalent?
There is no basis for condemning a 20 year old who led the AFL Intercept marking as an 18 year old. Have a look at Lever version 2018, chocolates to boiled lollies, nobody is pulling the pin on him as quickly as Carlton fans seem to want to cook Weitering! It's ludicrous, if Weitering were at Geelong or Dawkthorn he probably wouldn't have played a senior game yet!
In the meantime we see fans heartily defending Simmo as he turns over another kick after a brave intercept and a sprint forward! That is excruciating!
Re: Reset Rants - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 06:45 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:@ LP
To me McKay exudes confidence and looks like he's having a ball. By comparison Weiters lacks an air of assurance, seems relatively tentative and certainly looks like he is finding the whole experience excruciating. Also seems a bit distant from the other players. Just the impressions I get from his body language.
Cookie...Thats a good word on how to describe his mindset.....excruciating, he doesnt want to be out there, I'd be concerned about his long term future and if the game is right for him....
Re: Reset Rants - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 06:49 AM)LP link Wrote:You do remember Weitering's first season don't you, or his finish to last season, what is McKay's equivalent?
There is no basis for condemning a 20 year old who lead the AFL Intercept marking as an 18 year old. Have a look at Lever version 2018, chocolates to boiled lollies, nobody is pulling the pin on him as quickly as Carlton fans seem to want to cook Weitering!
Agree on his first season then he got hit in the shoulder and hasnt been the same since....dont want to cook him at all, if he was my son I'd be real worried about his enjoyment of the game.
The big bodies worry him and its like being hit by a fast bowler....he looks like Jonathan Trott after Mitch Johnson shook him up and Trott quit the game....
Re: Reset Rants - Lods - 04-30-2018
(04-30-2018, 06:45 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:@ LP
To me McKay exudes confidence and looks like he's having a ball. By comparison Weiters lacks an air of assurance, seems relatively tentative and certainly looks like he is finding the whole experience excruciating. Also seems a bit distant from the other players. Just the impressions I get from his body language.
How much of that though is due to the pressure to perform with injuries in his first few seasons.
We don't know for sure but "I'll stand, kicking to death" if he wasn't asked to keep going despite being injured.
We broke him.
Like we broke Murphy years ago. It's a credit to him to reach the level he did....and yes, it's part of being an AFL player to cope with that....but successful teams don't leave their young-úns to deal with that without some management and protection.