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Re: Next Captain - kruddler - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 12:51 AM)PaulP link Wrote:How do you know that Murph isn't that player, at least for now ?
I don't think Murphy was ever the right player. Carrazzo and Simpson should've got it instead of him.
But as for now...
For all the reasons i've discussed thus far.
Re: Next Captain - PaulP - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 12:55 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I don't think Murphy was ever the right player. Carrazzo and Simpson should've got it instead of him.
But as for now...
For all the reasons i've discussed thus far.
That's not really what I was asking. If the club is going through a full reset, including, one would think, a process to select the best captain, why is Murphy still in the role ? Bolton is into his 3rd year now. It's not as if he hasn't had enough time.
You can't assume the club hasn't gone through the correct process because you don't agree with the selection.
Re: Next Captain - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 12:55 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I don't think Murphy was ever the right player. Carrazzo and Simpson should've got it instead of him.
But as for now...
For all the reasons i've discussed thus far.
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Re: Next Captain - kruddler - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 01:07 AM)PaulP link Wrote:That's not really what I was asking. If the club is going through a full reset, including, one would think, a process to select the best captain, why is Murphy still in the role ? Bolton is into his 3rd year now. It's not as if he hasn't had enough time.
You can't assume the club hasn't gone through the correct process because you don't agree with the selection.
When Bolton came in, he wouldn't dare choose anyone other than Murphy for captain.
He couldn't give it to Simpson, because it should've been done before and he is/was too old. How he is still going today is remarkable.
He couldn't give it to Cripps, Doc because they were too young and not half the players they are today.
So he could he have given it too?
As for the 'process', i'm dubious of that anyway.
Previously the process has been exposed from a former player, and former assistant. Votes for the leadership were given by players and calculated by the coaching staff....who proceeded to shift players in and out of the leadership group as they saw fit, ignoring the voting 'process'.
The club has a history in 'choosing' who they want, overriding the players and in Micks case, the coach as well.
Why do you think this time is any different? There has been shifty's going on with the last 2 coaches, why not now?
Re: Next Captain - PaulP - 04-25-2018
Where are these exposés as provided by the former player and assistant ? Why do you assume that the voting process was solely the preserve of the players ? You imply the coaches input into the process was corrupt - should not the coaches get a vote as well ? If it's only the players who vote, isn't it possible that it may descend into a popularity contest ? Perhaps, just perhaps, the process was fair and reasonable all along and it was made clear to the players that their vote was not final, nor was it binding.
You say it's remarkable that Murph has lasted this long. Without knowing what goes on inside the club, maybe we should allow for the possibility that it isn't all that remarkable.
If what you say is true, and the process is deeply flawed, even after a full reset, then the club should just pack up and call it a day. I'll buddy up with my James Hird inflatable doll, and go and support the Bombers.
Re: Next Captain - LP - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 02:32 AM)PaulP link Wrote:If what you say is true, and the process is deeply flawed, even after a full reset, then the club should just pack up and call it a day. I'll buddy up with my James Hird inflatable doll, and go and support the Bombers.
Somehow I don't think you need to worry, there is more to selecting a captain than the meat-head approach!
If you took too literally many of those demands posted on Murphy as captain, then Mitch Robinson would have been the logical choice! ;D
You need some blunt tools in a team, but it doesn't have to be the captain. I think most posters are frustrated because we have none at all!
Ownership of a JTurd doll is a little disturbing though! :o
Re: Next Captain - PaulP - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 02:39 AM)LP link Wrote:Somehow I don't think you need to worry, there is more to selecting a captain than the meat-head approach!
Although ownership of a JTurd doll is a little disturbing! :o
Having a club that is potentially still dysfunctional even after the reset is 1000x worse than my doll, thank you very much.
Re: Next Captain - LP - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 02:42 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Having a club that is potentially still dysfunctional even after the reset is 1000x worse than my doll, thank you very much.
I don't think we are dysfunctional, it's a very simplistic explanation of what the fans observe, they need a single current point of blame and cannot help but think fixes will be instantaneous!
I do not deny the process is frustrating, but it does have a clear destination with more than one available route that most cannot agree on!
Re: Next Captain - kruddler - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 02:32 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Where are these exposés as provided by the former player and assistant ? Why do you assume that the voting process was solely the preserve of the players ? You imply the coaches input into the process was corrupt - should not the coaches get a vote as well ? If it's only the players who vote, isn't it possible that it may descend into a popularity contest ? Perhaps, just perhaps, the process was fair and reasonable all along and it was made clear to the players that their vote was not final, nor was it binding.
You say it's remarkable that Murph has lasted this long. Without knowing what goes on inside the club, maybe we should allow for the possibility that it isn't all that remarkable.
If what you say is true, and the process is deeply flawed, even after a full reset, then the club should just pack up and call it a day. I'll buddy up with my James Hird inflatable doll, and go and support the Bombers.
First paragraph, I don't assume anything.
I was told what the players were told.
I was told what the coaches decided afterwards.
Either the coaches lied to the players beforehand. Or they changed their mind afterwards and failed to tell the players.
In any event, it breeds mistrust amongst the group, especially when the message trickles down from one of the assistant coaches to at least one of the players at the time.
As for 'remarkable'....i was clearly talking about Simpson, not Murphy. If this type of comprehension is commonplace, i'm not surprised you are still arguing.
Re: Next Captain - LP - 04-25-2018
I know the original source of the rumors Kruddler refers to and it was initally a disgruntled past player.
Actually, since Ratts time it's been the same player as the source for many of these rumors, someone who just wouldn't tow the team line and got the kibosh because of it! The bloke is still sprouting rumors about the current Carlton club even though his AFL career ended up at a foreign club some time ago!
The system is simple, players vote on the members of the leadership group, from the list of top nominations the coaches selected the leadership group, captain and VC from that list. Not all the top nominations make the final cut, and the captain isn't necessarily the top player choice, although Daisy confirmed he thought after voting Murphy was the unanimous player selection for this year, and that was later confirmed a couple of weeks later by the coaches. The proposed captain has to accept the nomination, you cannot be made captain if you do not want it!
The coaches by the way, at the time Daisy's opinion was offered, refused to confirm or deny Murphy would again be captain. I suppose that is because of the two things that must happen after the player vote.
It has to be that way because the players have no idea who is a keeper and who is a trade bait, you cannot have players select a captain who will be possibly traded at season end, it kills club culture!