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Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - LordLucifer - 05-02-2017
Interesting observations from Sam Edmund of the HUN :
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-keeping-it-simple-with-new-game-plan/news-story/46ae3b51c996f37592e012fc8e761d3b
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - PaulP - 05-02-2017
(05-02-2017, 02:21 PM)LordLucifer link Wrote:Interesting observations from Sam Edmund of the HUN :
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-keeping-it-simple-with-new-game-plan/news-story/46ae3b51c996f37592e012fc8e761d3b
Thanks Sheik.
That explains the sluggish ball movement I've been complaining about. I can see why he's doing it, but I still don't like it. More time chipping around means more opportunity to turn it over, more often in the wrong part of the ground.
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - LP - 05-03-2017
(05-02-2017, 09:24 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Thanks Sheik.
That explains the sluggish ball movement I've been complaining about. I can see why he's doing it, but I still don't like it. More time chipping around means more opportunity to turn it over, more often in the wrong part of the ground.
Personally, I see this sort of stuff as a developing of Plan B or C.
We complained for years that Carlton only had one plan, when things were not working we had nothing else to offer.
If Edmund is correct, and that's a big "if", it may be that BB is teaching the recruits some alternate plans one plan at a time!
But think about this, if they can learn ways to win under such a diversity of plans, then that can only be a good thing! ;D
Sort of fits with BB's mantra, get comfortable at being uncomfortable!
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - tonyo - 05-03-2017
(05-02-2017, 09:24 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Thanks Sheik.The sluggish ball movement is more a comment on the structure of the forward line. Quite noticeable that we are getting better at setting the tempo of the game, and thus controlling it. If we have the ball, the other side doesn't. Squeeze the opposition out of the match by starvation - Hawthorn 2013-15 was based on this.
That explains the sluggish ball movement I've been complaining about. I can see why he's doing it, but I still don't like it. More time chipping around means more opportunity to turn it over, more often in the wrong part of the ground.
Once we get a bit more potency in the front half and get scoreboard reward for the control, we will be a difficult team to beat.
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - PaulP - 05-03-2017
(05-03-2017, 12:37 AM)LP link Wrote:Personally, I see this sort of stuff as a developing of Plan B or C.
We complained for years that Carlton only had one plan, when things were not working we had nothing else to offer.
If Edmund is correct, and that's a big "if", it may be that BB is teaching the recruits some alternate plans one plan at a time!
But think about this, if they can learn ways to win under such a diversity of plans, then that can only be a good thing! ;D
Sort of fits with BB's mantra, get comfortable at being uncomfortable!
I'm not sure that proving to the world that we know how to catch and kick is really going to achieve all that much.
My opinion is that the KISS game plan has more to do with :
a. Bolton's personality
b. his pedigree at the Hawks
than any teaching of either skills or alternate game plan.
One concern I have (among many) is that both the AFL rules and the top teams at the moment (Crows, GWS etc.) have both great leg speed and speed of ball movement. I don't really want our team to be left behind on this score.
It seems to me that Bolton is implementing a tweaked version of the Hawks precise kicking game style, which is fine if you have the personnel and understanding to pull it off. The Hawks scoring capacity have been declining steadily over the last few years, and is one reason among many why they have fallen off the pace.
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - PaulP - 05-03-2017
(05-03-2017, 12:51 AM)tonyo link Wrote:The sluggish ball movement is more a comment on the structure of the forward line. Quite noticeable that we are getting better at setting the tempo of the game, and thus controlling it. If we have the ball, the other side doesn't. Squeeze the opposition out of the match by starvation - Hawthorn 2013-15 was based on this.
Once we get a bit more potency in the front half and get scoreboard reward for the control, we will be a difficult team to beat.
See my post above.
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - pinot - 05-03-2017
I think we need to add a couple of classy players between half back and half forward before the forward line.
Personally I would throw a kitchen sink at Josh Kelly this year and Marcus Bontampelli next year and pray to god that SPS, Graham, Cunningham come good.
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - kruddler - 05-03-2017
(05-03-2017, 12:55 AM)PaulP link Wrote:One concern I have (among many) is that both the AFL rules and the top teams at the moment (Crows, GWS etc.) have both great leg speed and speed of ball movement. I don't really want our team to be left behind on this score.
It seems to me that Bolton is implementing a tweaked version of the Hawks precise kicking game style, which is fine if you have the personnel and understanding to pull it off. The Hawks scoring capacity have been declining steadily over the last few years, and is one reason among many why they have fallen off the pace.
We don't have the cattle to play the same way as those teams. At best we can be a 'poor mans version'. Why would you bother?
Better to go your own way and play a brand that is designed to be played by the blokes you have. If you are the best at playing the way you want to play, then you have the potential to be the best in the league. If you are the 3rd best at playing the way you want to play (or worse) you have basically zero chance of being the best in the league.
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - PaulP - 05-03-2017
(05-03-2017, 08:52 AM)kruddler link Wrote:We don't have the cattle to play the same way as those teams. At best we can be a 'poor mans version'. Why would you bother?
Better to go your own way and play a brand that is designed to be played by the blokes you have. If you are the best at playing the way you want to play, then you have the potential to be the best in the league. If you are the 3rd best at playing the way you want to play (or worse) you have basically zero chance of being the best in the league.
Whilst I understand there are some limits to how much you can mold a player to play different styles (if you want to play fast leg footy, recruit Gary Rohan types rather than Brock McLean types), I would've thought most players can adapt and play different ways. My personal opinion is that Bolts is gong with what he knows, and what he feels comfortable with.
You could also argue that we don't really have the cattle to play kick and catch, given the frequency with which we turn it over.
There is a point at which you must have a look at what other teams are doing, especially the successful ones. We're not competing with ourselves.
Re: Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017 - Gointocarlton - 05-03-2017
(05-03-2017, 09:05 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Whilst I understand there are some limits to how much you can mold a player to play different styles (if you want to play fast leg footy, recruit Gary Rohan types rather than Brock McLean types), I would've thought most players can adapt and play different ways. My personal opinion is that Bolts is gong with what he knows, and what he feels comfortable with.Bold point 1: That goes agains his stated mantra of "be comfortable being uncomfortable".
You could also argue that we don't really have the cattle to play kick and catch, given the frequency with which we turn it over.
There is a point at which you must have a look at what other teams are doing, especially the successful ones. We're not competing with ourselves.
Bold point 2: We haved turned it over much much less since the Ess game I reckon. I would love to see the stats on TO's but I cant find any.