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Re: Rd 15: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-03-2016
(07-03-2016, 08:01 AM)LP link Wrote:Yet, having watched live and the replay, I'd have to say White was our most effective forward. If we'd been kicking half decently, or if Everitt had actually applied some physical contact, White could have easily had three or four more shots at goal within F50.
I thought Reid and Goldsack took too many easy marks and I wasnt sure of White's role...goalkicker or defensive forward........really missing Armfield IMO who creates forward pressure and we lacked that type of desperado to help keep the ball in the Forward 50.
Re: Rd 15: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 07-03-2016
(07-03-2016, 08:09 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I thought Reid and Goldsack took too many easy marks and I wasnt sure of White's role...goalkicker or defensive forward........really missing Armfield IMO who creates forward pressure and we lacked that type of desperado to help keep the ball in the Forward 50.
I think the marking targets were made look ordinary by the inability of the small forwards and Mids to pull the trigger on a shot for goal. We have a bunch of blokes who do not want the responsibility of kicking goals. I was shocked to see the likes of Lamb and Wright looking to dish off when they had time and space to snap the ball from within 25m. At AFL level time and space inside 25m is just two or three steps, if you need more time than that you need another career!
Re: Rd 15: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 07-03-2016
(07-03-2016, 08:01 AM)LP link Wrote:Yet, having watched live and the replay, I'd have to say White was our most effective forward. If we'd been kicking half decently, or if Everitt had actually applied some physical contact, White could have easily had three or four more shots at goal within F50.
That was my observation as well. Bottom line is that we were two forwards down. Had Waite and Betts played instead of Casboult and Everitt we'd have outscored Rottingwood. We kept Rottingwood to a losing score but couldn't hit the scoreboard ourselves due to, simply, not having good enough forwards.
Re: Rd 15: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Collingwood - cookie2 - 07-03-2016
(07-03-2016, 08:15 AM)LP link Wrote:I think the marking targets were made look ordinary by the inability of the small forwards and Mids to pull the trigger on a shot for goal. We have a bunch of blokes who do not want the responsibility of kicking goals. I was shocked to see the likes of Lamb and Wright looking to dish off when they had time and space to snap the ball from within 25m. At AFL level time and space inside 25m is just two or three steps, if you need more time than that you need another career!
Agree LP. We are gun shy and we need to be a lot more urgent, but at the same time remain composed, in front of goal. Looks like we have a bit of a confidence crisis to me. It's a fine line between confident to have a shot and blazing away in a trigger happy way I guess.
Re: Rd 15: Post Game Frustrations: Carlton vs Collingwood - DJC - 07-03-2016
One thing that pleased me last night was the work that our players, particularly Ed Curnow, put into Levi Greenwood. In the past we have just let Murphy, Gibbs or Cripps deal with a hard tag but there seemed to be a definite plan to make things difficult for Greenwood. Twenty-two possessions and two goals must be one of the best performances by Gibbs when tagged and a lot of that is down to Curnow.
Re: Rd 15: Post Game ________: Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 07-03-2016
(07-03-2016, 08:15 AM)LP link Wrote:I think the marking targets were made look ordinary by the inability of the small forwards and Mids to pull the trigger on a shot for goal. We have a bunch of blokes who do not want the responsibility of kicking goals. I was shocked to see the likes of Lamb and Wright looking to dish off when they had time and space to snap the ball from within 25m. At AFL level time and space inside 25m is just two or three steps, if you need more time than that you need another career!
Our marking forwards were made to look ordinary because our mids could not kick to advantage. If a forward had front position, they'd kick it on top of his head.
If a forward was leading to his left, they'd kick to his right.
The ball was almost never kicked out in front to our advantage inside 50. Can't blame the wind as there was none. Just simple skill errors.
Re: Rd 15: Post Game Frustrations: Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-03-2016
(07-03-2016, 09:18 AM)DJC link Wrote:One thing that pleased me last night was the work that our players, particularly Ed Curnow, put into Levi Greenwood. In the past we have just let Murphy, Gibbs or Cripps deal with a hard tag but there seemed to be a definite plan to make things difficult for Greenwood. Twenty-two possessions and two goals must be one of the best performances by Gibbs when tagged and a lot of that is down to Curnow.
I thought Curnow did the job on Treloar but Pendlebury destroyed us ...Greenwood(23 possies/9tackles/one goal) did the job on Gibbs IMO and while Gibbs was reasonable I thought Greenwood intimidated him and reduced his effectiveness including a forearm to the face which Gibbs didnt respond hard enough to IMO.
I think Gibbs has been good but both he and Murphy need some help in the rough stuff dept and I reckon someone like Robbo out there last night might have made life easier for Gibbs.
Re: Rd 15: Post Game Frustrations: Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 07-03-2016
(07-03-2016, 09:32 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I thought Curnow did the job on Treloar but Pendlebury destroyed us ...Greenwood did the job on Gibbs IMO and while Gibbs was reasonable I thought Greenwood intimidated him and reduced his effectiveness including a forearm to the face which Gibbs didnt respond hard enough to IMO.
I think Gibbs has been good but both he and Murphy need some help in the rough stuff dept and I reckon someone like Robbo out there last night might have made life easier for Gibbs.
Bingo! Couldn't agree more, particularly re Robbo.
Re: Rd 15: Post Game Frustrations: Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 07-03-2016
Everitt did a reasonable job on Sidebottom but it seems most here have idea of what his role was and expected him to kick goals.
Re: Rd 15: Post Game Frustrations: Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 07-03-2016
(07-03-2016, 09:41 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Everitt did a reasonable job on Sidebottom but it seems most here have idea of what his role was and expected him to kick goals.
I think we reasonably expect him to be like his 21 team mates re intensity, vigor and defensive ruthlessness. It aint personal. Some people just aint designed that way... there's a reason the Dishlickers and Fluffy Ducks didn't want him and now we can see why.