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Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - Thryleon - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 06:12 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Or maybe he was just pissed at the direction the club was headed under Mick?
Either way, promoting Ellard over Yarran would be one of the worst football decisions made in the history of any club. Ellard has time and time again provided himself to be not up to senior football. Even pushing Yarran to one side, playing Ellard full stop is just plain stupid. Been there, done that, time to move on. I just hope our club has taken a step forward with regards to this.
TBF Thry, some of your suggestions are so far off the mark ATM I'm wondering whether you are deliberately trying to be provocative.
Not in this case. Its about setting standards. You perform in the VFL, you get a senior opportunity. That way the Matthew Watsons, Dillon Vjojo-Rainbows. Patrick Cripps, and any other youngster who gets to Carlton knows, its not about how talented you are, but how hard you are willing to work to get your opportunity.
They won't die wondering, and if supremely talented blokes don't get a game, they will know exactly why.
We haven't set the standards for a long time at Carlton, and I believe that this is something we should start getting right. I can think of no better time to make these statements than when you are sitting dead last.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - Lods - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 07:11 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Not in this case. Its about setting standards. You perform in the VFL, you get a senior opportunity. That way the Matthew Watsons, Dillon Vjojo-Rainbows. Patrick Cripps, and any other youngster who gets to Carlton knows, its not about how talented you are, but how hard you are willing to work to get your opportunity.
They won't die wondering, and if supremely talented blokes don't get a game, they will know exactly why.
We haven't set the standards for a long time at Carlton, and I believe that this is something we should start getting right. I can think of no better time to make these statements than when you are sitting dead last.
What we desperately need at this stage is to start winning games of football or at least be competitive.
We must field the team that gives us the best opportunity to do that.
I find it a bit strange to be arguing this because I've always been an "effort" man.
I like players like Simon Wiggins, Luke O'Sullivan and probably our best "good average player" ever Adrian Hickmott (wouldn't we love to have a few like him at the moment)
They make the best of sometimes limited talent.
I even have a soft spot for Ellard, because I think he gives a 100%
But the thing is, we won't be a great side until fringe players like Ellard aren't in the selection equation.
Effort really counts for little in the long run if you don't have the talent.
It's ability that will get you the games.
If those fringe players work their bums off they just might get a game ahead of a more talented player through their performances.
But the talented player will, and should always have the edge.
A combination of effort and ability should be the standard we're looking for in our players.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - Baggers - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 07:40 AM)Lods link Wrote:What we desperately need at this stage is to start winning games of football or at least be competitive.
We must field the team that gives us the best opportunity to do that.
I find it a bit strange to be arguing this because I've always been an "effort" man.
I like players like Simon Wiggins, Luke O'Sullivan and probably our best "good average player" ever Adrian Hickmott (wouldn't we love to have a few like him at the moment)
They make the best of sometimes limited talent.
I even have a soft spot for Ellard, because I think he gives a 100%
But the thing is we won't be a great side until fringe players like Ellard aren't in the selection equation.
Effort really counts for little in the long run if you donlt have the talent.
It's ability that will get you the games.
If those fringe players work their bums off they just might get a game ahead of a more talented player through their performances.
But the talented player will, and should always have the edge.
A combination of effort and ability should be the standard we're looking for in our players.
Like it. Good summary. And that's the harsh reality of it all.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - ItsOurTime - 06-11-2015
This is like polishing your car before taking it to the wreckers. I like ensuring my car always looks in tip top shape but you have to be practical too.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - kruddler - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 07:11 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Not in this case. Its about setting standards. You perform in the VFL, you get a senior opportunity. That way the Matthew Watsons, Dillon Vjojo-Rainbows. Patrick Cripps, and any other youngster who gets to Carlton knows, its not about how talented you are, but how hard you are willing to work to get your opportunity.
They won't die wondering, and if supremely talented blokes don't get a game, they will know exactly why.
We haven't set the standards for a long time at Carlton, and I believe that this is something we should start getting right. I can think of no better time to make these statements than when you are sitting dead last.
Regardless of all this Yarran talk....
You still want Ellard to be picked ahead of Gibbs, Jamison and Daisy?
Ok, Judd is out...possibly drop Tutt. Who else are you dropping to fit them in?
You will end up having to drop a kid from the side to play Ellard. A kid who performed reasonably well. You want to set standards and reward effort...and that is by dropping kids?
Convince me.
Tell me your the ins and outs for our next game.
To choose from you've got our squad from the crows (minus judd) plus Gibbs, Jamison, Daisy, Yarran and Ellard to choose from.
Go.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - kruddler - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 01:20 AM)shadesy link Wrote:Compare that Set up to some of the better teams
Freo - Johnson, McPharlin, Dawson (when fit) - Pavlich/Clarke/Taberner/Mayne
West Coast - Schofield, McGovern, Mckenzie/Brown (if fit) - Kennedy/Sinclair/McInnes/Darling
Sydney - Richards/Grundy/Reid - Buddy/Tippet/Goodes/
Hawks - Lake/Frawley/Statton/Shoenmakers - Roughy/Hale/Gunston/
Thats fine. Compare our KPPs against theirs. What you will find is that we are not as mobile, agile, fit, accurate or good in the air, or on the ground as them.
How many AA's coleman medals and premierships have that lot got. You know what ours have? Nada and zilch by comparison.
It's not strictly the 'tall' part, its the overall ability. Our talls are not good enough in other areas to demand selection in the numbers you suggest.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - PassIt2Carrots - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 08:06 AM)ItsOurTime link Wrote:This is like polishing your car before taking it to the wreckers.
LOL.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - Thryleon - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 08:18 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Regardless of all this Yarran talk....
You still want Ellard to be picked ahead of Gibbs, Jamison and Daisy?
Ok, Judd is out...possibly drop Tutt. Who else are you dropping to fit them in?
You will end up having to drop a kid from the side to play Ellard. A kid who performed reasonably well. You want to set standards and reward effort...and that is by dropping kids?
Convince me.
Tell me your the ins and outs for our next game.
To choose from you've got our squad from the crows (minus judd) plus Gibbs, Jamison, Daisy, Yarran and Ellard to choose from.
Go.
The easy answer is yes. Ellard ahead of them. Gibbs has not earned a game in his career yet, it's been gifted to him. Jamo is fairly cooked, so is daisy.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - kruddler - 06-12-2015
(06-11-2015, 11:13 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:The easy answer is yes. Ellard ahead of them. Gibbs has not earned a game in his career yet, it's been gifted to him. Jamo is fairly cooked, so is daisy.
You're insane.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - laj - 06-12-2015
(06-11-2015, 11:13 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:The easy answer is yes. Ellard ahead of them. Gibbs has not earned a game in his career yet, it's been gifted to him. Jamo is fairly cooked, so is daisy.
Ellard ahead of Gibbs...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gibbs, our reigning best and fairest, not earned a game in his career.....lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any other gems to lighten up pour Friday night?...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!