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Re: Football Department Review - tonyo - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 07:01 AM)northernblue link Wrote:Its just a morbidly slow, painful public execution of a bloke who deserves better by people who should know better.
Here's a bizarre theory..... after their respective reviews, both Geelong and Richmond re-appointed coaches who looked for all the world like they were dead men walking. What followed both of these decisions was the most successful era that these two clubs had seen in over 40 years. Granted other changes were made, but perhaps it was that show of faith in the head man that was the genesis of the kind of team spirit and hunger that led to prolonged success - the kind we so desperately need.
Maybe, just maybe, after all of this rubbish, the best thing to do would be to re-appoint Teague, give him the other changes that are needed like decent assistants and development teams, and back him in. And put some serious acid on the players to deliver (I reckon this is what Choco has done at the Demons this year). I don't think the player buy-in and performance has been given enough scrutiny - after all, they are the ones out there running, tackling and executing. You can't keep blaming someone else for your own lack of hunger and motivation.
Re: Football Department Review - northernblue - 08-19-2021
TBH @Tonyo, I think the way its been handled just shows that they dont know what theyre doing.
I wonder what Walsh, Pav and the other bloke (lol) think of the shiite pile theyve landed in @ cfc ?
Its going to take some amazing spin for it to look good on their resume...
Re: Football Department Review - laj - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 07:16 AM)tonyo link Wrote:Here's a bizarre theory..... after their respective reviews, both Geelong and Richmond re-appointed coaches who looked for all the world like they were dead men walking. What followed both of these decisions was the most successful era that these two clubs had seen in over 40 years. Granted other changes were made, but perhaps it was that show of faith in the head man that was the genesis of the kind of team spirit and hunger that led to prolonged success - the kind we so desperately need.
Maybe, just maybe, after all of this rubbish, the best thing to do would be to re-appoint Teague, give him the other changes that are needed like decent assistants and development teams, and back him in. And put some serious acid on the players to deliver (I reckon this is what Choco has done at the Demons this year). I don't think the player buy-in and performance has been given enough scrutiny - after all, they are the ones out there running, tackling and executing. You can't keep blaming someone else for your own lack of hunger and motivation.
Go even further. After Collingwood's 2017 review they kept Buckley and they made the GF and PF the next 2 years.
If the players had remotely some motivation this and last year we'd have played finals. With the attitude of our playing group it was amazing we were in some sort of contention. Just need that, a fit playing list, and a change in that and a tweak in the game plan ( maybe a better attitude might have seen the game plan executed better) and it would be a different side. Better people around him might've helped sort the game plan anyway. Unfortunately the motivation and culture aspect has bugged us for 20 years.
No support, a review creating a sword hanging over everyone for half a season, you get distrust and disunity. Hence you get games like we got 3 of the last 4 games.
Re: Football Department Review - kruddler - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 07:16 AM)tonyo link Wrote:Here's a bizarre theory..... after their respective reviews, both Geelong and Richmond re-appointed coaches who looked for all the world like they were dead men walking. What followed both of these decisions was the most successful era that these two clubs had seen in over 40 years. Granted other changes were made, but perhaps it was that show of faith in the head man that was the genesis of the kind of team spirit and hunger that led to prolonged success - the kind we so desperately need.
Maybe, just maybe, after all of this rubbish, the best thing to do would be to re-appoint Teague, give him the other changes that are needed like decent assistants and development teams, and back him in. And put some serious acid on the players to deliver (I reckon this is what Choco has done at the Demons this year). I don't think the player buy-in and performance has been given enough scrutiny - after all, they are the ones out there running, tackling and executing. You can't keep blaming someone else for your own lack of hunger and motivation.
Plenty of people have highlighted this point and it all makes perfect sense.......which is why the club won't do the same.
We are Carlton.....
Re: Football Department Review - laj - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 07:16 AM)tonyo link Wrote:Here's a bizarre theory..... after their respective reviews, both Geelong and Richmond re-appointed coaches who looked for all the world like they were dead men walking. What followed both of these decisions was the most successful era that these two clubs had seen in over 40 years. Granted other changes were made, but perhaps it was that show of faith in the head man that was the genesis of the kind of team spirit and hunger that led to prolonged success - the kind we so desperately need.
Maybe, just maybe, after all of this rubbish, the best thing to do would be to re-appoint Teague, give him the other changes that are needed like decent assistants and development teams, and back him in. And put some serious acid on the players to deliver (I reckon this is what Choco has done at the Demons this year). I don't think the player buy-in and performance has been given enough scrutiny - after all, they are the ones out there running, tackling and executing. You can't keep blaming someone else for your own lack of hunger and motivation.
Goodwin was on the verge of being sacked last year. It was a very close thing.
Re: Football Department Review - cookie2 - 08-19-2021
After all of the angst of the last few days if Teaguey is not kept on our club is imo a pack of pr1cks! Just sayin’.
Re: Football Department Review - Gointocarlton - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 07:01 AM)northernblue link Wrote:Pretty sure it was MLG who came out and said it wasnt a Teague review.I dont want to back the bus over this but to my point, on Ch7 news, they just showed the footage of Liddle I recalled seeing. It was a presser in June at the front of PP at the time the review was announced and he was asked "Will David Teague be the coach in 2022" to which he replied "Yes". I knew it was Liddle not MLG
And (without engaging in commentary) anyone could have come out in the past weeks to back Teague in for this season at least ?
NO ONE has, and its damning of our club.
And Instead, the club has allowed blokes to publicly throw their hats into the ring, after the axe has swung, by all means lets invite expressions of interest for the job (and the execution in 40 odd games time...) But while the guy is still under contract for 2022 he should be getting something.
Its just a morbidly slow, painful public execution of a bloke who deserves better by people who should know better.
Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 07:16 AM)tonyo link Wrote:Here's a bizarre theory..... after their respective reviews, both Geelong and Richmond re-appointed coaches who looked for all the world like they were dead men walking. What followed both of these decisions was the most successful era that these two clubs had seen in over 40 years. Granted other changes were made, but perhaps it was that show of faith in the head man that was the genesis of the kind of team spirit and hunger that led to prolonged success - the kind we so desperately need.
Maybe, just maybe, after all of this rubbish, the best thing to do would be to re-appoint Teague, give him the other changes that are needed like decent assistants and development teams, and back him in. And put some serious acid on the players to deliver (I reckon this is what Choco has done at the Demons this year). I don't think the player buy-in and performance has been given enough scrutiny - after all, they are the ones out there running, tackling and executing. You can't keep blaming someone else for your own lack of hunger and motivation.
I suspect it is way past that possibility now. Too much water under the bridge and with The TT publicly criticising the club and review ,well... not a wise move if you're intending to stay.
Although hesitant to bring this up again, if we cast our minds back to the end of BBs tenure, there was plenty of conversation about the place re The TT sowing seeds of... mmm... let's just say, 'look at me, look at me... I know how to kick winning scores...' Perhaps what goes around, comes around? Then to have the remaining rounds of the season to prove yourself... and, taking the shackles off, change... good sugar hit which is good for a few wins. Then a haphazard due diligence re selection for new coach... and, voila.
Re: Football Department Review - PaulP - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 08:56 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I dont want to back the bus over this but to my point, on Ch7 news, they just showed the footage of Liddle I recalled seeing. It was a presser in June at the front of PP at the time the review was announced and he was asked "Will David Teague be the coach in 2022" to which he replied "Yes". I knew it was Liddle not MLG
GTC, we all know, at least historically, these statements aren't worth much.
Re: Football Department Review - northernblue - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 08:56 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I dont want to back the bus over this but to my point, on Ch7 news, they just showed the footage of Liddle I recalled seeing. It was a presser in June at the front of PP at the time the review was announced and he was asked "Will David Teague be the coach in 2022" to which he replied "Yes". I knew it was Liddle not MLG
Thats somewhat good news, and forgive me for doubting you (the bad news for me is that now I doubt myself...)
So why havent they been on the front foot shielding the coaching group/team and trying to preserve the season ?