(07-14-2020, 08:59 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:That's just silly spin Baggers. Demonising, get real.

The bloke gets paid $441k a year to make the big calls - so he gets the kudos when it goes right and also gets the flak when it goes pear shaped - as it well and truly has done here.

Did you read or hear today (as I understand it):

1. They were aware of potential outbreaks in the Carlton towers many weeks back - and did sfa;
2. they were advised on Day 1 of the quarantine gig that the arrangements in place were questionable;
3. the initial recommendation made to use ADF or others i.e. police was rejected (or ignored).

It appears the ONLY reason there is a lock down now - 6 weeks - is because of the quarantine fiasco.

If I were in his shoes, I would resign. Simple.

(07-14-2020, 09:47 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:And a little more shade...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-infection-data-kept-secret-as-opposition-calls-for-ministers-to-be-dumped-20200714-p55by9.html

(07-13-2020, 09:32 PM)Thryleon date Wrote:The media are not going to talk candidly about what happened and are ensuring the finger isnt pointed at certain minorities.

(07-14-2020, 08:59 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:That's just silly spin Baggers. Demonising, get real.

The bloke gets paid $441k a year to make the big calls - so he gets the kudos when it goes right and also gets the flak when it goes pear shaped - as it well and truly has done here.

Did you read or hear today (as I understand it):

1. They were aware of potential outbreaks in the Carlton towers many weeks back - and did sfa;
2. they were advised on Day 1 of the quarantine gig that the arrangements in place were questionable;
3. the initial recommendation made to use ADF or others i.e. police was rejected (or ignored).

It appears the ONLY reason there is a lock down now - 6 weeks - is because of the quarantine fiasco.

If I were in his shoes, I would resign. Simple.

(07-14-2020, 11:27 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Ah, FB, you're jumping at shadows young fella.

Andrews has said a number of times in interviews that the buck stops with him and if there are stuff ups, he'll wear it, as he should.

His pay packet is irrelevant. I gave up long ago believing that the size of someone's pay-packet had a direct correlation with their abilities and competency re responsibilities. What matters is that he is the boss, has got to be across everything and making sound decisions... if the investigation discovers he stuffed up, then he can FO.

The newspapers are full of rumours, he said she said they said stuff. Click bait. Do yourself a favour, don't buy into anything of the media scuttlebutt until it becomes a proven fact. Of course there were some with doubts about this that and the other... always is with every decision, and these people get very clever when it seems they may have been right. I make it a habit to ignore just about all Murdoch media (malcontent and bullsh1te HQ) and to take the rest with a massive grain of salt. Murdoch himself said decades ago that he has no interest in the news, only how to make it entertaining (which means inflammatory, sensational etc.,) to make more money.

As for thinking the ADF watching over the towers would have worked wonders... you've obviously not served in the military. As DJC also pointed out you can bet there would have been more rooting and other sexual favours going on with soldiers than with the private security company - you can take that to the bank.

For the record, I personally believe that all our state Premiers, to date, and the Prime Minister have done a commendable job... regardless of what side of the ideological fence they find themselves, especially in comparison to many other countries. We're better led than most. Not perfect, but sheesh some of the cr@p going on in other countries is head spinning.

Personally I believe that this concerning increase in Victoria can be put down to one thing... humans not committing themselves to quarantine and to other preventative measures (masks, sanitizing hands regularly, distancing and so on). Scapegoating one individual is fruitless.

Believe it or not there is still a considerable number of people who think this C-19 thing is a hoax, or not as bad as everyone thinks, or it won't get them, or it's just a bad flu, or they just don't give a cr@p about anyone other than themselves... our leaders can only set the game plan, if people decide to ignore it then, well, we get what we've got. And it doesn't take many to fck it up for the rest of us. Most folks are rippers and doing their best... including our pollies.

(07-14-2020, 10:36 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I have to agree with this. The quarantine debacle was Andrews being pig headed and keeping his union mates happy. If he listened to the PM and took the offer of ADF and Fed Pol (like all the other states did), there would be no quarantine debacle. Simple. Yes the corkheads in quarantine did the wrong thing, but they wouldnt have tried that on for size if they were starting a soldier or a copper in the face.

(07-14-2020, 11:16 PM)cookie2 date Wrote:The world was/is drowning in debt. I would be surprised if this pandemic does not eventually precipitate some severe austerity measures in an attempt to achieve  some form of economic reset.