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Re: Football Department Review - tonyo - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 03:03 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Yep, if he waits long enough he can just say he is following through on the recommendations contained in the review. Someone with a better memory please correct me, but I don't remember the Tigers, Pies, or Cats reviews being as messy as this. Certainly with the Tigers, there was talk about sacking Hardwick, but I don't recall the fever pitch intensity that seems to follow Carlton around like a bad smell. These sorts of events at Carlton always feel distinctly Machiavellian.
This was always going to happen when the review was conducted half-way through the year, and the side's performance started going south. It was also exacerbated by the 'planned' Presidential handover. If the team had clicked and made the 8, the actions taken in response to the review would probably be quite different.
The media love a blood-letting story (in fact, they generally supply the knives) - especially the anti-Carlton crew like Jon Ralph, Flubbo and co at the HUN. They lost out on Collingwood and Hawthorn stories because the respective coaches jumped not long after they felt a hand in the back. Otherwise, it could have been a lot messier than us, especially Collingwood.
Re: Football Department Review - PaulP - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 03:17 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I'd be interested in knowing who is advising The TT. If anyone is.
Digs at the club re an environment that is not as psychologically safe as it could be, feeling unsupported by the club... and so on, is so very unwise although quite possibly true (that he feels this way) - these are things for behind closed doors, it's like he's attempting to solicit sympathy. Should he have to leave the club, what does this kind of public communication tell any future employer? It won't help. Almost sounds like he's been given advise by MM! Being a senior coach of an AFL club is no easy gig.
Leadership in professional sport is tough. Real tough, requiring very unique personality types. And those who succeed are not afraid to stand alone - they back themselves/are exceedingly self-reliant, are driven/passionate, ruthless and incredibly competitive. They don't rely on others around them to give them what they need, they create and build the environment they want, even demand - themselves.
If The TT is to depart the club then he should look at how others have handled such difficult situations. At our club, Den Den, Ratts and BB all left with class and dignity - publicly. MM, not so much.
Big change is never an easy transition and nailing the perfect formula is really difficult. It often comes down to your own strength, integrity and resilience... and a strong understanding that life aint fair, it is difficult. Realising that is more than half the battle.
It won't do him any favours, but I applaud him for speaking out. And speaking, what in my opinion, is the truth.
I think there is a difference between being an independent thinker, self reliant, backing yourself on the one hand, and on the other, having forces and individuals within your own organisation who not only fail to offer support, but quite possibly also proactively trying to undermine you. A football club has hundreds of moving parts. One person won't make a difference if the whole club isn't on the same page. I can't think of one single coach since Brittain, who would not have left frustrated and annoyed at being hamstrung by some aspect of the inner workings of our club.
Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 03:30 AM)PaulP link Wrote:It won't do him any favours, but I applaud him for speaking out. And speaking, what in my opinion, is the truth.
I think there is a difference between being an independent thinker, self reliant, backing yourself on the one hand, and on the other, having forces and individuals within your own organisation who not only fail to offer support, but quite possibly also proactively trying to undermine you. A football club has hundreds of moving parts. One person won't make a difference if the whole club isn't on the same page. I can't think of one single coach since Brittain, who would not have left frustrated and annoyed at being hamstrung by some aspect of the inner workings of our club.
Couldn't agree more. Although not a fan of the word 'if'... if The TT had taken the opportunity to get better people around him in terms of assistants he may well not be where he is today.
With the inconsistent management and leadership at the club for some time you sure will get 'inner conflict' and problems created where they don't need to be simply because of a lack of unity. Hopefully that is about to change.
I just watched The TT pre game media conference and the very first thing I thought after a few minutes was, 'FFS, David, don't get drawn into the leading questions from salivating headline hunters.' Once they realised his naive honesty, they were like hyenas. He's got to learn to get them dancing to his tune, not he, theirs.
You can see, easily, that he's first and foremost a really nice person. With a likeable softness. If he does leave I hope he gets a gig at another club as an assistant. He pumps up Lloyd's tyres... maybe he'll end up at Rottingwood.
Re: Football Department Review - LP - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 03:40 AM)Baggers date Wrote:I just watched The TT pre game media conference and the very first thing I thought after a few minutes was, 'FFS, David, don't get drawn into the leading questions from salivating headline hunters.' Once they realised his naive honesty, they were like hyenas. He's got to learn to get them dancing to his tune, not he, theirs.Been saying it for years, it's an aspect of our club that remains in the rank amateur category.
Our fans keep wondering why Handbaggers or Ferals get off at the MRP, they think they are lucky, or they think our blokes are guilty and theirs aren't!
It's absolutely nothing to do with any of that, it's a cause and effect driven by our media presence.
The first thing I would do if I was Teague would be to make journalists and bloggers accountable for their questions. That is when they raise a hand, tell them to announce their name and organisation before they pose the questions, you'll find the replacing any partially perceived anonymity with accountability and responsibility changes the very questions raised in the debate! Usually, the old heads in the game, the likes of Flubbo, Hunchy or Caro, will then force some poor cadet spud or work experience kid to pose the dumb questions, which then just let's someone like Teague control the debate. It's media 101, and our club seems to be ignorant of it!
btw., It doesn't have to be done in a combative way, Teague can illiterate that in the absence of vision fans may not be familiar with voices, or a Teague type can even claim it is "to help me remember names"!
None of it matters, if the Board and Exec do no0t support the staff in the media, and there is the problem because our Board and Exec are ethereal, they are crickets chirping or rabbits in headlights!
Re: Football Department Review - Adelaideblue - 08-19-2021
Retain David Teague.
It is probable human nature to want to be on the side of the winners. Even if such a win is merely enjoying joining the mob to pitchfork yet another Carlton coach out the door.
In our rush to accept the "lets change coach again" scenario that appears to be emanating from some Board members and being gleefully cultivated by the media, are we being fair to and are we giving full value to David Teague as a coach.
I congratulate those CSC members on this site who in showing support for DT continuing as Carlton coach in 2022 have outlined not only his coaching positives, but importantly the impossible task he has faced this season putting a competitive team on the park due to such an enormous injury list.
I for for one would be happy to sign a petition asking the board to retain David Teague as coach for season 2022.
cheers Ab
Re: Football Department Review - kruddler - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 02:51 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Think the jury is out on list management and talent...but agree on off field finances.Was going to highlight the same thing.
I think the recruiting area will come under heavy scrutiny via the review and I can see changes being made. I also think a coach like Lyon will want a few more of his type of player who have a bit more spice to their game.
List management has been average. Failing to recruit any backup at KPD was pathetic. Ironically, through all our injuries we've almost survived in that area, just missing Jones for about 3 games (with no backup available at all!)
Ruck stocks....similar. Silvagni being in there highlights this too.
Wasn't really rectified during the MSD either.
I could go on.
I find it funny that those saying injuries are no excuse give the list management a tick. It has basically being responsible for us not being able to field a competitive line-up.
Re: Football Department Review - kruddler - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 03:17 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I'd be interested in knowing who is advising The TT. If anyone is.
Digs at the club re an environment that is not as psychologically safe as it could be, feeling unsupported by the club... and so on, is so very unwise although quite possibly true (that he feels this way) - these are things for behind closed doors, it's like he's attempting to solicit sympathy. Should he have to leave the club, what does this kind of public communication tell any future employer? It won't help. Almost sounds like he's been given advise by MM! Being a senior coach of an AFL club is no easy gig.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Teague speaks the truth (like malthouse). It's uncomfortable to hear, but it's the truth.
You want Teague to our on a brave face and say 'all is well' so his replacement can come into the job... full of hope and optimism only to be fooled by the '3 idiots' conducting the review and those employing them?
Play time is over.
Teague is upset and a lot in the media are starting to take his side... he has been treated very poorly.
Now one more thing....
Someone made content about Clarko not commenting on the Carlton role, but Ross Lyon doing the opposite.
I've literally heard Ross say all year that he would not comment on a position that is not available....specifically in relation to coaching Carlton. So I'm not sure why he (appears to have) changed his mind on the matter other than that position has become available....at least privately. Remember there were rumours last week that the board had decided to sack Teague and was going to announce it....maybe they decided to wait a week?
Would make all the above make sense if true.
Re: Football Department Review - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 04:58 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Was going to highlight the same thing.Agree with all of that.....the list is unbalanced and lacks cover in KP areas and with a multitude of injuries you get exposed big time.
List management has been average. Failing to recruit any backup at KPD was pathetic. Ironically, through all our injuries we've almost survived in that area, just missing Jones for about 3 games (with no backup available at all!)
Ruck stocks....similar. Silvagni being in there highlights this too.
Wasn't really rectified during the MSD either.
I could go on.
I find it funny that those saying injuries are no excuse give the list management a tick. It has basically being responsible for us not being able to field a competitive line-up.
The mid season draft gave us no cover even though we could have picked another player or two. Mirkov is ultra raw apart from getting injured himself and Boyd is another kid with no senior experience and why pick another tadpole? Teague got left with a paper thin lineup and when Jones got injured it left a hole you could drive a truck through which is what Port did to us.
TDK looks stuffed, Jack was boxing out of his division rucking and our best KP forward in the VFL was Crocker.
Charlie Curnow isnt up to flying for big marks or going too hard and he needs a pre season so no miracles forthcoming from him.
You add playing players with injuries and its been a debacle, what hope has Teague really had when you dont have the resources.
Re: Football Department Review - madbluboy - 08-19-2021
Clearly Teague has been told.
Re: Football Department Review - northernblue - 08-19-2021
(08-19-2021, 05:12 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Clearly Teague has been told.
Not so sure, I think its more the malestrom of tea leaves revolving around him like a cyclone and the coast guard not answering the mayday calls, and possibly having turned the radio off !