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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 10-14-2016

(10-14-2016, 05:39 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I must have a fairly low pain threshold - for me it went totally off the rails months ago.

It's reached new depths in the last week :Smile


Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - DJC - 10-14-2016

(10-14-2016, 04:40 AM)Mav link Wrote:That Hillary orchestrated the fateful interlude between Monica and Bill so she would benefit from being seen as the victim of cheating.  What a Machiavellian character she is!

A friend of my late brother's brother in law worked for Hillary at the time.  She was taken by surprise but very quickly took charge and gave Bill his lines.  He reckoned that Hillary was the brains of the family and predicted then that she would become president.


Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 10-14-2016

Just watching Veep, series 1, episode 4.  Selina Meyer, the VP, is worried that Gov. Danny Chung, a Chinese-American war hero, might replace her as VP.  She has a Trumpian hot-mic disaster after an interview, making an unwise comment that he isn't even an American.  When the news breaks while she attends a hospital after a disaster, she finds rednecks start praising her for telling it like it is, that this is America, not China.  After they stuff up with a vital Senator who withdraws support for her pet Bill for filibuster reform, they have to suck up to senators from the Border Caucus who want harsh laws to deal with undocumented Mexicans, even though Meyer is in favour of allowing them to stay.  Her aides meet with a couple of senators who complain that Mexicans are bad neighbours who come into your garden at night to crap a butt-full of drugs and beans on your flowers and that's why they need a 3000 mile border fence.  They say that will be great for the construction industry to which one of the aides responds that the only way to afford it would be to bring in immigrant workmen.  The other aide says they should be able to find a way to preserve the American identity and the senators rejoice.  The aides promise that Meyer will oppose immunity for any illegal immigrants who have been in the US more than 5 years and endorse the Border Caucus's position.  Meyer's boyfriend jokes that she should sneak in to visit him because his Asian neighbours don't like her. 

Wow!  This was in 2012 and predicted Trump 3 years later.  Yes, he'd gone full birther by then but the immigration issue and the excitement of rednecks thinking that Trump tells it like it is was totally nailed.


Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 10-14-2016

Interesting article about how irrational voting can be, examples being that Woodrow Wilson's vote plunged in beachfront towns affected by the "Jaws" shark attacks of 1916 and incumbent Presidential candidates get a bump in states where the NFL team wins: This is the best book to help you understand the wild 2016 campaign, Vox, 14/10.

It also suggests that the mostly direct election of the President increases the chances of a fool or knave winning when compared to a parliamentary system:

Quote:Most successful democracies have parliamentary governments — often backed by proportional electoral systems — leading to a politics that reenforces this tendency and avoids tipping points. In the American system, small shifts in public sentiment can lead to drastic changes — either Bush or Gore, either Clinton or Trump — whereas the Dutch or German electoral systems ensure that a small change in voting behavior leads to a small change in the composition of parliament. Any given party could put a fool or a knave forward as leader, and he might still win votes. But to exercise meaningful power he would need to negotiate with other coalition partners, which is hard to do if you’re a fool.

The American system has no such safeguard. If a fool or a knave secures the nomination of one of the major political parties, he has a pretty good chance of becoming president, at which point all bets are off.

When the office was originally designed by the framers of the Constitution, they meant for it to be an indirectly elected office whose holder would be selected by a collaborative meeting of Electoral College members, thus insulating it from popular whims. Strong democratic norms led rather swiftly to a system that more closely resembles direct election. But at various points in time, the process for nominating candidates served the role of structuring the public’s choices.

As E.E. Schattschneider wrote in his 1940s classic Party Government, “Democracy is not found in the parties but between the parties.”

But things change over time. The boss-led party system of Schattschneider’s day was replaced by a more open one in the 1970s, which, in turn, seems to have evolved back in a more elite-driven direction in the 1980s and ’90s. Today, however, in part thanks to technology-driven shifts in the media, the party system is opening up again, and party elites are losing control.



Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 10-18-2016

Interesting those rumors about trump's motives for running won't go away.

He comes out of this process with his business career now in a much netter place than it was when he nominated.

Trump is all about Trump, people would be very wise to remember that, not that any other Politician is better.


Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 10-18-2016

Not sure about that.  The suggestion is that he wants to start a right-wing wingnut empire.  His unhinged performance in the presidential campaign would help in that regard.  But it's an increasingly crowded field- Brietbart, Infowars, FoxNews and others.  Given Steven Bannon, the head of Brietbart, is his campaign chairman, it wouldn't be hard to see them joining forces.  But would Trump be willing to partner with Bannon or would he expect to absorb Brietbart?  Trump would add some value to Bannon's operation but I can't see Bannon handing it over to Trump and his kids.  Will a mere slice of the action give Trump enough power and money to satisfy him?  Some erstwhile high-flyers are hitting hard times now.  Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh set up their own media empires but they're losing ground now. 

Trump's appeal to "the deplorables" will help when it comes to entering the media market but it also undermines his core business of licensing his name for luxury products.  He hasn't built anything since 2008 excluding golf courses.  People think he builds hotels, skyscrapers and developments but he doesn't.  He licenses his name to other developers for a fee.  But has his embrace of the rednecks destroyed the cachet of his name?  Rednecks aren't going to pay to go to his luxury resorts and other guests would run away if they did.  Will the wealthy be less willing to patronise his luxury hotels?  We'd need to hear from a marketing guru but it seems to me he's taken his brand downmarket.


Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 10-18-2016

(10-18-2016, 04:05 AM)Mav link Wrote:Trump's appeal to "the deplorables" will help when it comes to entering the media market but it also undermines his core business of licensing his name for luxury products.  He hasn't built anything since 2008 excluding golf courses.  People think he builds hotels, skyscrapers and developments but he doesn't.  He licenses his name to other developers for a fee.  But has his embrace of the rednecks destroyed the cachet of his name?  Rednecks aren't going to pay to go to his luxury resorts and other guests would run away if they did.  Will the wealthy be less willing to patronise his luxury hotels?  We'd need to hear from a marketing guru but it seems to me he's taken his brand downmarket.

The glamor stuff is good for a media based revenue stream, but his image is on the slide and to some degree self-damaged. If you can't maintain the image but it slides very quickly, ask Paris Hilton.

I believe Trump had previously put his name to other low cost goods and it didn't work out, but that was in the context of a glamor media profile. That won't stop him trying again using his newly found Redneck Patriotic perspectives. Trump ammo, rifles, handguns, bunkers, fencing, razor wire, etc., etc.. Probably all of it re-packed in the USA as a "Made in the USA" product, but fully imported from Mexico!


Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 10-20-2016

Trump is going OK in  the debate, holding  his own, scoring a few hits on Hillary.....

Then he exercises his second amendment right to "shoot himself in the foot" by refusing to say he'd necessarily accept the result of the election. ;D :Smile


Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - LP - 10-20-2016

(10-20-2016, 08:19 PM)Lods link Wrote:Trump is going OK in  the debate, holding  his own, scoring a few hits on Hillary.....

Then he exercises his second amendment right to "shoot himself in the foot" by refusing to say he'd necessarily accept the result of the election. ;D :Smile

If this blokes hand was "On the Button" he'd press it just to see what happens!

In other words, he's a dickhead!



Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 10-20-2016

Must be hard for Trump to accept being a 3 time loser.  As with the other 2 debates, he's acting like the Black Knight, claiming victory on the "strength" of easily-manipulated online polls regarding the debate. It's funny to think that he once boasted that he's such a winner that America will get sick of winning when he's the President.  He must be devastated that he couldn't even beat a nasty woman which in his own mind should have been a cakewalk.  The other irony is that she overpowered him in the last half of each debate despite his boasts that he has far more stamina than Hillary.  But then that's a bit unfair.  We all know that he was really boasting that he had a penis and she didn't, so that might be one of the few true things he said.