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Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - DJC - 02-19-2023
(02-19-2023, 07:17 AM)LP link Wrote:The sweep shots are fine, and in fact very useful when conditions suit in India, but doing it mindlessly is the problem.
Some real naivety on display, not good enough from Smith, Cummins or or other experienced players!
Sweep shots aren’t fine in those conditions. Smith’s demise should have convinced the following batters to park the sweep shot.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - northernblue - 02-19-2023
(02-19-2023, 08:16 AM)DJC link Wrote:Sweep shots aren’t fine in those conditions. Smith’s demise should have convinced the following batters to park the sweep shot.
I haven’t seen todays play, but that’s not now todays players are coached/or play.
They are taught and encouraged to go, you fail and you go again.
It is what it is, we can sit here and grumble that they don’t value their wicket and play poor shots but they go out to score or get out so that someone else has time to score (or go out…)
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Gointocarlton - 02-19-2023
(02-19-2023, 07:17 AM)LP link Wrote:The sweep shots are fine, and in fact very useful when conditions suit in India, but doing it mindlessly is the problem.from the HS
Some real naivety on display, not good enough from Smith, Cummins or other experienced players!
“There’s a reason why many of India’s leading batsmen don’t bother with the sweep shot … they reckon it tastes like honey but drips with poison.
C lever though it looks, disruptive though it can be, they will tell you it generates more problems than it’s worth and if you question them further they explain it is a simple matter of geometry
If a deck is playing up and down (like Delhi) you can take variable bounce out of play with a vertical bat but if the bounce varies and you use a cross bat such as the sweep you tend to miss the ball.
Then guess what? You’re dead
Sounds simple but somehow Australia missed the memo.
A quarter of Australia’s wickets in this series have fallen to the sweep, the shot which produced the craziest Australian collapse this century as batsmen lost their collective nerve, swung wildly and left with faces redder than your standard tandoori chicken.
What a shambles.”
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Professer E - 02-19-2023
I reckon Cummins will quit as captain, go home or be replaced by the end of this tour. Something isn't right and his thought processes appear erratic.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-19-2023
(02-19-2023, 09:56 PM)Professer E link Wrote:I reckon Cummins will quit as captain, go home or be replaced by the end of this tour. Something isn't right and his thought processes appear erratic.Going to get smashed in England, we are trying to play Bazball cricket and need to get back to basics and start again.
I'd sack George Bailey for starters......and then work my way down with Warner next to go and would replace Cummins as captain. Don't know why you would fly a uncapped left arm spinner in when you have Agar already in the squad either..Agar must be there to drive the bus.
Agree on Cummins, that's why you don't make bowlers captain.
Going in with one quick bowler, wtf were we thinking.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - DJC - 02-19-2023
Richie Benaud says hi EB ?
Cummins just doesn’t seem to have a tactical grasp of the game … but how much of that is his role with the current set up?
We desperately needed Green to get up for that test. He wouldn’t have weakened the batting and his bowling could have made a difference … at least it could have provided a point of difference.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-20-2023
(02-19-2023, 11:31 PM)DJC link Wrote:Richie Benaud says hi EB ?Game has moved on a bit since Richie's days and he was more of a one off(Warne was one who might have been ok), Greens bowling was missed, not sure his batting would have prospered on the dodgy Indian wickets vs that quality spin but it couldnt have been any worse than Renshaw.
Cummins just doesn’t seem to have a tactical grasp of the game … but how much of that is his role with the current set up?
We desperately needed Green to get up for that test. He wouldn’t have weakened the batting and his bowling could have made a difference … at least it could have provided a point of difference.
Cummins DRS work has also been horrendous and we squander too many referrals on no chance attempts.
South Africa have just trashed their poor performing test team from the Aus tour replacing Captain Edgar and sacking 5 players so no mercy shown there and we need to do a bit of that too.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - LP - 02-20-2023
(02-19-2023, 09:56 PM)Professer E date Wrote:I reckon Cummins will quit as captain, go home or be replaced by the end of this tour. Something isn't right and his thought processes appear erratic.Just speculating, but this sort of shock can set in whenever the Nimby generation get exposed to life in the real Mumbai!
Some think India is all like Goa, colourfully dressed gardeners, palms swaying in the breeze, incense parades and tasty vegetarian curries. The problem is before this most have only been exposed the IPL T20 India, glitz and tinsel, more Hollywood and Bollywood, receptions for heroes. Then in a test series they are the enemy, they get the raw Mumbai and reality sets in, beggars, poverty and smog, smog like you have never seen before, enough to turn you green, and open sewerage flowing down side streets, it can be a bit overwhelming for them. ( On a bad day Melbourne smog(ignoring bushfires) might rate a 20ppm, on average a 10ppm, on a good day Mumbai is 200ppm on average it's 250ppm! (It's like living in a mechanics workshop with all the truck engines running!)
Cummins green mentality just became irrelevant as he was exposed to the real problem, his high and mighty Nimby stance was squashed by global monolith! (FWIW, this is much the same in regions of China, Indonesia and SE Asia when you get away from tourist type destinations and into the industrial / manufacturing areas.)
I've seen this happen to people I travel with so many times, all up beat and buzzing ready to go, then ................! :o Cummins is not alone on this tour I can see several like that, you need a certain stoicism that goes way beyond physical capabilities, Alan Border and Dean Jones had it in spades.
As much as I personally love travelling to India and catching up with many of it's people, it's probably one place I would never take the family.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Professer E - 02-20-2023
Call me Nostradamus
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Gointocarlton - 03-01-2023
Dead rubber but India 3-36