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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 07-10-2020

Was at the local supermarket yesterday for a few essentials and hardly anyone seemed to have heard of social distancing and very few had masks.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 07-10-2020

The stupidity and self-interest of around 20% of people at present is breathtaking. Disappointing. Infuriating. They're fckng it up for the rest of us. Perhaps they believe Jones and Bolt and other similar far right c0ckheads of the grandest order.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-10-2020

(07-10-2020, 03:42 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:So you ignore the 50 odd studies?

Your resorting to personal abuse doesn't correct for your errors, it's just a sign of desperation to cover for your ignorance, and it exposes your lack of understanding of science and the scientific method.

Retrospective meta-data studies, which covers every paper you linked to, aren't rigorous investigations of HCQ efficacy for use in fighting COVID-19. As the studies are "retrospective", they take notice of correlations between the present of a drug either coincidentally or deliberately. They don't tell you if the people were on HCQ prior, as many people around the globe are already on HCQ for arthritis treatment. So claiming that that recovery is because of coincident use of HCQ and other antibiotics is just a correlation, a coincidence, no matter how many coincident cases they add the study. These retrospective meta-data studies are exactly the same as Surgispehere, and all they can identify is correlation with causality.

Further, these studies were retrospective, so did not pick people who are COVID-19 free and give them HCQ to see if their outcomes to an infection were better, a key aspect of a double blind efficacy study.

In reality, most of these studies looked at COVID infected people within a narrow age group, quite possible a demographic that could already contain a higher percentage of people already on HCQ, as you might find in an age care facility compared to the general population. So studying HCQ in that circumstance, and even if the recovery rate is high, normal or lower than normal relative to the general public, you end up finding HCQ is present in a higher percentage of people who recovered, which is a correlation that occurs because the sample set already has higher than normal HCQ exposure.

To prove something you have to take that correlation and perform a a double blind study, which will include people of demographics with and without COVID infections, as well as giving 1/3rd of the people a placebo which they and the doctors do not know about, and another 1/3rd of the people get nothing at all. That will take 12 to 18 months to get a result. None of those studies which have started, not one, are even close to being finished yet!

I'm sorry you can't understand this stuff, it's not my fault do not take it out on me! But I'll always refuse to let you or anyone post dangerously wrong opinionated rubbish without calling it out! If you are going to post correlations as causality, it will always result in this sport of debate.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-10-2020

Uh oh, exponential curves!

[img width=450]https://scx1.b-cdn.net/csz/news/800/2020/5efdc90632ca0.jpg[/img]

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 07-10-2020

(07-10-2020, 04:15 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:288 new cases in Victoria and now masks are the preferred option when in close contact with others, lockdown in Victoria will exceed the six weeks for sure. Idiots still partying on and being caught by the cops, I'd jail these clowns, good luck trying to fine these bozo's and get the money out of them..

I was thinking about this today, people potting everyone from Scomo to Andrews. Ill tell you something, we can get rid of them tomorrow morning, but the bozos will still exist.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 07-10-2020

Its this simple. Cedar meats start of may. Ramadan end of may. Halfway through june we had the black lives matter protest. July, we have an Islamic school and the cases escalating out of control in the towers they live in.

Whilst the hospitals arent under pressure its fine. If this leads to increased hospitalisation we are in strife.

The worst part about the positive cases is that it's a lagging indicator.

We won't see significant decreasing cases for at least two weeks.

By then we'll see Sydney blowing up IMHO.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-10-2020

(07-10-2020, 09:37 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I was thinking about this today, people potting everyone from Scomo to Andrews. Ill tell you something, we can get rid of them tomorrow morning, but the bozos will still exist.

For sure...its a balancing act with health vs economy and the poli's are in the middle and to be fair both ScoMo and DA have done a reasonable job. Andrews got let down by some security staff at quarantine hotels and probably got pressured into opening up sooner than he wanted.
The bozo's who flaunt the law and want to put us back in danger wouldnt be so lucky in a few other countries where their KFC meal might have been their last meal.
Its going to be a long haul as like Thry alluded to there will be a outbreak in NSW IMHO and the cycle will continue like it has here and we will take a few steps back before it gets better.
I'd like to see a few Bozo's jailed just to send a clearer message that we wont tolerate yobbo dopey behavior that puts others at risk and hopefully that might get a few other would be idiots to sit up and think the police and government mean business.
Fining people with no money or little to lose doesnt work.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 07-10-2020

(07-10-2020, 12:58 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:For sure...its a balancing act with health vs economy and the poli's are in the middle and to be fair both ScoMo and DA have done a reasonable job. Andrews got let down by some security staff at quarantine hotels and probably got pressured into opening up sooner than he wanted.
The bozo's who flaunt the law and want to put us back in danger wouldnt be so lucky in a few other countries where their KFC meal might have been their last meal.
Its going to be a long haul as like Thry alluded to there will be a outbreak in NSW IMHO and the cycle will continue like it has here and we will take a few steps back before it gets better.
I'd like to see a few Bozo's jailed just to send a clearer message that we wont tolerate yobbo dopey behavior that puts others at risk and hopefully that might get a few other would be idiots to sit up and think the police and government mean business.
Fining people with no money or little to lose doesnt work.

Pretty damning article in the HS about the security guards fiasco today.
- Andrews refused the federal offer to use Defence and Fed Pol Staff to manage the hotel quarentine
- Instead he used private guards, jobs for the boys, who were not trained effectively
- Guards didnt follow rules, shagged guests in return for letting them out
- Guests who resused to be tested were let allowed to leave anyway
This list goes on. As Thry said, the hotels saga,and Cedar meats outbreak, is genomically linked to most if not all of the new cases. It shouldnt be behind the paywall, so you can read it. Its too long to post.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/how-a-catalogue-of-failures-turned-victoria-into-a-virus-timebomb/news-story/da01b73b37ce3c88eb18c3f8c73bb15d

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Professer E - 07-11-2020

Been saying it for months. Our society is full of entitled, selfish F-wits and we're all going to pay for the meatheads. Classic example: Shane the dumb fcuk tradie biatching on 774 Thursday AM about having to wait at the Avalon checkpoint while commuting from Melbourne to Queenscliff for work. Well Shane it's people like you that have rampantly spread this thing because you believed it to be "fake", that you were "essential". What part of STAY HOME DiDnt you get? I won't even start on tradies blowing in and taking the few local jobs on the Belkarine. Seriously, when is the straight out sense of entitlement of the unwashed masses going to stop? Why is Portarlington currently full of out-of-towners??? Our society continues to stagger me with the depths plumbed in stupidity and selfishness.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-11-2020

(07-10-2020, 09:54 PM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:This list goes on. As Thry said, the hotels saga,and Cedar meats outbreak, is genomically linked to most if not all of the new cases. It shouldnt be behind the paywall, so you can read it. Its too long to post.

Actually it appears there are really only two dominant strains in Australia, so most people will be one or the other. NSW is dominated by one and Vic the other, there is a smaller outbreak of a third major strain in Qld.

The science is a bit overstated in the media, it's not as straight forward as News Ltd and others make out! The media and some social commentators are motivated by finding someone to blame.