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Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Thryleon - 08-20-2024
(08-20-2024, 08:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Did Martin take out fogarty or was it the other way around?No, Martin took out fogarty. He should have shepherded his opponent out of the contest and let fogarty going with the flight of the ball have it.
Martin ended up with the ball.
No real.blame should be attributed but Martin could have avoided it easier than fogarty.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 08-20-2024
(08-20-2024, 09:56 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:No, Martin took out fogarty. He should have shepherded his opponent out of the contest and let fogarty going either the flight of the ball have it.
No real.blame should be attributed but Martin could have avoided it easier than fogarty.
I rewatched the incident a few times before i posted before.
Martin had more space on his opponent than Fogarty had on his.
They both came from weird angles to the ball, not simply a going back with the flight of the ball. Martins back was to goal. Fogarty coming across the goal.
Ball was in Martins hands when they collided and Martin maintained possession after the hit.
IF Martin, stopped and called him through, Fogarty would've been tackled immediately as his opponent was right on him.
IF Fogarty, stopped and called him through, Martin had 1.5m on his opponent and was more likely to be clear.
I don't think either of them had enough time to calculate all that and i don't blame either one of them for their attack on the ball.
My whole point is that i don't think either are to blame, but to single out Martin is a bit harsh. If anything i think its 51% Fogarty, 49% Martins fault.
But Fogarty has more 'good vibes' compared to Martin, so people side with him.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 08-20-2024
Here's a thought experiment for you....
The AFL are outcome based and penalise players who make contact and injure another player.....even if in a normal world it would be considered an 'accident'.
If this was 1 player from each team. Who would the AFL penalise?
It reminds me of the Plowman / O'Meara incident.
Plowman got suspended because he didn't get injured. Even through he went for the ball, and got the ball.
Would the AFL suspend Martin who got to the ball first but potentially saw him coming?
Would the AFL suspend Fogarty because he got to it second and should've tackled?
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - madbluboy - 08-20-2024
Live at the game it was Fogarty's ball. No question.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - madbluboy - 08-20-2024
I haven't even seen a replay and have no intention of watching that game ever again.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 08-20-2024
(08-20-2024, 10:22 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Live at the game it was Fogarty's ball. No question.
Depends on where you were sitting to the angle you saw.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - northernblue - 08-20-2024
(08-20-2024, 10:07 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I rewatched the incident a few times before i posted before.
Martin had more space on his opponent than Fogarty had on his.
They both came from weird angles to the ball, not simply a going back with the flight of the ball. Martins back was to goal. Fogarty coming across the goal.
Ball was in Martins hands when they collided and Martin maintained possession after the hit.
IF Martin, stopped and called him through, Fogarty would've been tackled immediately as his opponent was right on him.
IF Fogarty, stopped and called him through, Martin had 1.5m on his opponent and was more likely to be clear.
I don't think either of them had enough time to calculate all that and i don't blame either one of them for their attack on the ball.
My whole point is that i don't think either are to blame, but to single out Martin is a bit harsh. If anything i think its 51% Fogarty, 49% Martins fault.
But Fogarty has more 'good vibes' compared to Martin, so people side with him.
In an ideal world Martin should have called the play, he had the better view of what was unfolding… did he call ?
If he did Fog wasn’t listening.
In Fogs position you rely on your teamates to call you in/out or at least try to protect you, especially to protect you from them.
Accidents happen, but it was costly.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 08-20-2024
(08-20-2024, 10:27 AM)northernblue link Wrote:In an ideal world Martin should have called the play, he had the better view of what was unfolding… did he call ?100%
If he did Fog wasn’t listening.
In Fogs position you rely on your teamates to call you in/out or at least try to protect you, especially to protect you from them.
Accidents happen, but it was costly.
World is far from ideal though.
One thing that has me stuffed though.
How does a collision injury result in a hamstring???
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - DJC - 08-20-2024
(08-20-2024, 10:40 AM)kruddler link Wrote:100%
World is far from ideal though.
One thing that has me stuffed though.
How does a collision injury result in a hamstring???
Hyperextension of the leg resulting in stretched hamstring muscle fibres. Seems like it was a very minor strain or tightness.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - LoveNavy - 08-21-2024
(08-18-2024, 09:47 AM)rocky link Wrote:Unbelievable backs to the wall type victory. Never thought we had it in us. Momentum is a wonderful thing. Let's hope we've got enough of it to continue on into September.
X2
I'm pleasantly surprised and in awe of this group.
Hats off to the leadership and never say die attitude. What a superb initiation for young Binns, Lorde, and Moir. They really matched the commitment of the seniors. I don't think there were any passengers. That’s what it takes ??