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Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Micky0 - 08-04-2024
(08-04-2024, 12:14 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Motlop gets in peoples faces plenty. Through out a few don't argues and goes in hard at the contest.This is pretty atrocious.
If we could get Fantasia to do the same, he might be in the side.
Some people may have missed some of the things Motlop did, partially because the commentators (on TV at least, probably same for radio) can't tell the difference between him and Martin.
At least 3 times they called the wrong name in reference to those 2. :
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Lods - 08-04-2024
(08-03-2024, 11:24 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Lods,
Almost thirty years of mediocrity. Almost every club has won a flag in that period, except us. And we've been so bad we made West Coast look good.
And we loose every single important game - milestones, rivalry games... Any game that actually matters for something.
So many of us long-termers have had enough of the slogans, lies and bulldust. Respect for Pendles blah blah blah....how about respecting US the fans by turning up and having a fair dinkum go, not the bulldust we've seen this year....flog Geelong and then win one quarter in six weeks? Really!?! How about WINNING something?
It was the coaches that always wore the blame, maybe its the players, but this club has serious issues from top to bottom.
Yes Prof
I've shared your pain over the last 30 years.
The problem we face is that, like it or not....this is the group!
If they don't succeed we're back to another period of rebuilding the side because there are few developing in the VFL that have a chance of reaching the heights of the Cripps, McKay, Curnow and Weitering.
We'd need a new spine.
So this is it.
It's a window of about 4-5 years.
The talent on the list is good enough.
The consistency of playing together is all over the shop.
And we lack one vital missing piece in the form of a tall (talented) defender to help out Weitering and those surrounding him. Players like Kemp and McGovern would be freed up of responsibillities in certain areas and be more effective.
We're not getting that extra tall this year....and developing our own will take a big chunk out of our window time.
We need to look elsewhere, at other clubs.
Folks are upset and angry this morning because of how we lost and who we lost against.
If McGovern had kicked that goal there may still have been criticism of certain players but the vibe in here would be vastly different and the criticism much reduced.
But Kruddler is right, in terms of this year, it can turn quickly.
We took that downturn soon enough.
With a bit of luck, the upturn can be just as significant.
Consider that 4-5 weeks ago we were sitting second on the ladder a game and a half clear of third.
Was there the same negativity then.
It's transient, hopeully this slump is the same.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 08-04-2024
(08-03-2024, 11:38 PM)Micky0 link Wrote:I listened to the 2’d quarter on the radio and they talked of Collingwood players getting into Jesse and getting very physical - I didn’t hear of any Carlton player coming in to help - that was on the radio so maybe not 100% accurate but maybe he was rattled after it?
We're a nice team, unfortunately nice teams don't win many premierships.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - IvanAwfulbigone - 08-04-2024
(08-03-2024, 12:57 PM)tex link Wrote:Pies do the basics right. We don’t. Dunno how many times we didn’t have basic front and centres.
Basically this. Two pieces of play stood out for me. In the 3rd q after 2 consecutive goals , Walshy streaming forward out of the centre again, kicks the ball to the WRONG (boundary) side of can’t-remember-who. C’wood player marks and the momentum was lost. I think they got a goal from the rebound. Ball needed to be a couple of metres to the right.
Much has been said about his disposal into the F50 so I guess this was another stat in that dept.
Second example - same quarter, after struggling to clear out of the backline, pass is to Cincotta who elects to go for the chest mark rather than extend the arms. Ball is spoiled and, again, they get a goal from the turnover.
Seemingly minor incidents in isolation but, as Tex said, in such close games, it’s often the basics.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Professer E - 08-04-2024
That's my fear Lods, we've put the best part of ten years into developing a core of Cripps Walsh Chuck Harry Weeters and TdK, now we look like pissing it away before looking at rebuild number #587.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - IvanAwfulbigone - 08-04-2024
(08-04-2024, 12:36 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:We're a nice team, unfortunately nice teams don't win many premierships.
Can’t believe how we put up with McCreery bullying us.
And that free to Cox and the beautiful rugby throw through for a rushed behind. Ugh.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 08-04-2024
I don't really have an opinion on whether we are nice, too nice, or not nice enough, or how this compares to other current teams, but if true, then Voss is the best man for the job. With his level of ferocity, competitiveness, and white line fever, if he can't rectify this, nobody can.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - IvanAwfulbigone - 08-04-2024
(08-04-2024, 12:33 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm not exactly sure where the issues lie. I'm not sure if it's the undeniable reality that all teams have up and down periods, injuries, fatigue, selection etc. I don't think it's about this or that position. It's not IMO about small forwards, or rucks, or key defenders. Too many of our players just seem in poor form.
Yeah, we can speculate all we like but none of us ‘outsiders’ can possibly know where the issue lies or even if there is an issue (other than not good enough).
It’s perplexing as hell though. We were/are so close.
I’m wondering if Voss falls into that category of being such a champion player that he just expects others to execute perfectly every time, rather than getting them to focus on one specific task or skill set which benefits the team while sacrificing their personal gain.
McCrae wasn’t exactly a superstar but his players lock into a system and ‘connected’ more seamlessly than we did for most of the night.
For instance, why didn’t anyone stick like glue to Bobby Hill all night? The guy won a premiership off his own bat last year yet was paid little respect for most of the game.
Bringing Cox in was a no brainer given the absence of TDK. Cameron took 6 marks and Pittonet zero. Although, to be fair, I thought Pittonet’s last quarter was enormous and was instrumental in our comeback.
Another positive was Crippa probably picked up votes again.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 08-04-2024
(08-04-2024, 01:27 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:Yeah, we can speculate all we like but none of us ‘outsiders’ can possibly know where the issue lies or even if there is an issue (other than not good enough).
It’s perplexing as hell though. We were/are so close.
I’m wondering if Voss falls into that category of being such a champion player that he just expects others to execute perfectly every time, rather than getting them to focus on one specific task or skill set which benefits the team while sacrificing their personal gain.
McCrae wasn’t exactly a superstar but his players lock into a system and ‘connected’ more seamlessly than we did for most of the night.
For instance, why didn’t anyone stick like glue to Bobby Hill all night? The guy won a premiership off his own bat last year yet was paid little respect for most of the game.
Bringing Cox in was a no brainer given the absence of TDK. Cameron took 6 marks and Pittonet zero. Although, to be fair, I thought Pittonet’s last quarter was enormous and was instrumental in our comeback.
Another positive was Crippa probably picked up votes again.
I think the fluctuations in form and W/L are inevitable. I'm not sure it's related to structure or effort. We've both won and lost games with Weitering as the sole KPD, with 1 or 2 rucks, with essentially the same collection of small forwards. There's something outside of those things IMO, but I've got no idea what it is. Voss seemed somewhat pleased with the game last night, as least in comparison to the last few. I just hope we win the last couple of games. Time really is running out.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - laj - 08-04-2024
The same pattern for 5 weeks, playing one random brilliant qtr, This week it was the last.