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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 05-26-2024
(05-26-2024, 05:31 AM)LP link Wrote:The folly of rucking BigH by default was exposed in the commentary when Brown started banging on about TDK going solo.
King rightly came in and described why solo rucking TDK is not sustainable season long, then there was a suggestion to ruck Charlie and King nearly fell out of his chair, and he describe why you don't ruck Charlie ever, and the same applies to overuse of BigH in the ruck, the risk is too high relative to the benefit.
The BigH to the ruck is an occasional pinch hit option, not a default tactic.
If our MC aren't smart enough to make use of Pitto and TDK sensibly, as required, we have an MC problem it's not the players.
I'm a bit over the hysteria and dangers of rucking players.
Around the ground, ball ups and throw ins, the rucks are coming at the ball together, starting 1m apart and closing that well before the ball arrives. Risk of injury, basically 0%.
The risk comes at centre bounces. Now we have 1 for every quarter and 1 for every goal. As an example, yesterday we had a total of 30. 15 goals to us, 11 to gold coast, 1 for each quarter.
If we only have 1 ruck, they are basically rucking for 80% of the time. So that would mean your #1 ruck is rucking for basically 24 of that 30, meaning your backup ruck is taking 6 centre bounces. Harry is in more marking contests than that where he can get hurt.
Perhaps we shouldn't play him as a forward in case he gets hurt too??
For those 6 centre bounces, i'd happily tell him not to jump, but rather line up side on (like wing-side of the circle) and come at the ball side on to eliminate any inury risks.
Now the reality is, that after a goal, or at the start of a quarter, your #1 ruck has plenty of time to make it in for the centre bounce and will attend more than the 80% of the centre bounces, making the risk to backup ruck even smaller.
Add to that the fact that our backup ruck will most likely come up against their backup ruck who also doesn't want to get hurt and will try a similar tactic to what i suggested.
So can we give up the chance of injury from backup rucks please?
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Professer E - 05-26-2024
Another big game next week....isn't it nice to be under the pressure of "big" games regularly after the last twenty years of utter shyte and being a perennial cellar dweller?
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 05-26-2024
(05-26-2024, 12:56 AM)pinot link Wrote:TDK tackles and takes marks and restricts opposition from winning quality clearances. He is Kreuzer on steroids except very durable. You can't play talents like that in other positions other than their preferred and most dynamic,
Implying that he must play #1 ruck because he does that and Pittonet doesn't?
Last week Pittonet had 20 touches and 11 clearances. That was better than TDKs best in both touches and clearances before this week....and is still better in clearances after this week......and this was after having surgery during the week as well.
For all this talk about contested marking between the 2 as well.
Pitto averages 0.83 CMs per game this year.
TDK averages 0.7 CMs per game this year.
People constantly overlook what Pitto has given us since returning fit this year.
I don't care who takes the #1 ruck role in the side, i just want it to be the best player available.....and i don't think its clear cut.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Gointocarlton - 05-26-2024
(05-25-2024, 10:19 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Umpiring - I don't want to go there, but the numbers don't lie: we had 3 frees in three quarters of the game. That is just ridiculous.The delta at half time (4-11 I think) surprised TBH. What shocked me though (and I watched the game from level 2 behind the goals) was them dropping the ball so often in a tackle and the ump calling play on. We couldn't buy a free for that yesterday.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 05-26-2024
Where's arnie with the stats of how we go with one ruck vs how we go with 2.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Lods - 05-26-2024
(05-26-2024, 09:41 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Where's arnie with the stats of how we go with one ruck vs how we go with 2.
Unless you consider the quality of the opposition, our team in's and out's, the opposition in's and out's it's probably not worth the time and effort.
If you take those things on face value we just have to have Fogarty in the team and we're as good as over the line
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Gointocarlton - 05-26-2024
(05-26-2024, 04:37 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Mac Andrew pushed Charlie under the footy a few times no free kick. Front on contact in a marking contest against us yes, for us....I felt yesterday that the umps (ie the AFL) were definitely trying to get GC over the line. I'm not normally an umpire basher or conspiracy theorist but the umps were utterly appalling and blatantly one sided yesterday. I have never heard a crowd boo them like that, people in the crowd near me were incensed to al level I have never seen. As for Harwick, he should just should STFU unless he is coming out in support of how appalling the umps were towards us.
Look the gc are afl sponsored but I was actually upset at the late square up. I also thought at the time the way they umpire us might be best for the comp if they umpire everyone that way and that means no tiggy touchwood frees against us too, because I found myself thinking we've given away a few that weren't there and they've only missed a couple they should have paid unless you pay them against us.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - LoveNavy - 05-26-2024
Hardwick didn't hesitate to put a free plug in for his B n B nest egg during the Fox pre-game. Don't expect him to comment on umpire bias against us.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 05-26-2024
Both coaches are going to ask for a please explain about the umpires from our game. Hardwick seems to be aiming at holding the ball, what are our blokes going to be asking about?
I think largely the game was ok but lopsided for us. We would get pinged for stuff gold coast got away with, amd then there was that ridiculous 50 metre penalty paid against Harry who was trying to get to the ball drop and ran into witts which stands out as frankly cheating, but other than the Suns got a few soft frees that we didn't and im on the fence about those. Pay them both ways or don't pay them at all.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Blue Moon - 05-26-2024
There was a touch of autumn leaves about the incident between Harry and Witts.