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Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - DJC - 03-26-2024
(03-26-2024, 07:14 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Isn't this the discussion we were having in the other thread? Kemp and McGovern are good at filling in as a KPP but are not actually KPPs.
I don’t consider McGovern to be a KPD and the club doesn’t either. He’s in the team for his intercept marking and ability to help the KPDs.
Kemp is a KPD but, like many of the KPDs who try to play on Harry McKay, he struggles against very tall opponents. It’s simply a matter of selecting the KPDs best able to play on the opposition KPFs. North have two very tall KPFs, one of whom is a very good footballer. I’d play Weitering on Larkey and Young on Coleman-Jones.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - LP - 03-26-2024
If the club doesn't think McGovern is a KPD, why when he came back through the VFL a couple of seasons ago did they play him in the ruck?
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - kruddler - 03-26-2024
(03-26-2024, 09:26 AM)DJC link Wrote:I don’t consider McGovern to be a KPD and the club doesn’t either. He’s in the team for his intercept marking and ability to help the KPDs.
Kemp is a KPD but, like many of the KPDs who try to play on Harry McKay, he struggles against very tall opponents. It’s simply a matter of selecting the KPDs best able to play on the opposition KPFs. North have two very tall KPFs, one of whom is a very good footballer. I’d play Weitering on Larkey and Young on Coleman-Jones.
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/brodie-kemp/
Quote:The word on Kemp coming into the season was that he was destined for more midfield minutes after finding a home as a high-marking intercept defender in 2018, but he would end up having an impact just about everywhere. He adapted his kick-dominant game to become a handball-happy midfield extractor, was solid in his usual defensive post for Vic Country, and eventually a game winner for them up forward. Kemp’s success up forward lends to his key strengths of impact and overhead marking. He showed his worth with a huge contested mark in the dying seconds against South Australia to snare the winning goal, while doing the same twice in the last quarter against Western Australia to almost drag his side over the line. All were really game defining moments, and while Kemp does not win crazy amounts of the ball, he has important touches. Add to that a sub-three second 20m sprint and phenomenal agility and you have a prospect that can pull off just about anything. A good size to boot, Kemp would be a top 10 lock if not for his recent injury.One mans opinion, sure, but shared by plenty of others.
Not sure how many 'midfield extractors' are classed as KPD's a year later.
Despite the size difference and despite my own personal opinion on the matter, i'd still prefer to play Weitering and Kemp over Weitering and Young.
Only way kemp will be defeated is if our team defence fails and he's left 1-on-1 with his taller opponent with no chance to jump at the ball.
Young on the other hand could be defeated by his opponent a number of ways.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - pinot - 03-26-2024
(03-26-2024, 08:43 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:No
Yeah agree - Marchy needs to wait and bide his time to see if an opportunity opens up later.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 03-26-2024
We aren't losing against this mob, surely those days are over.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - pinot - 03-26-2024
Have to put a team to sleep soon and stamp our authority in the competition to send a message the team is capable at issuing beltings. But don't want to be Premiership favourites now imo.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - WASurfer - 03-26-2024
Given Marchbank's inability to get out on the park and the fact that he hasn't played a game in a while, he's better off playing a couple of VFL games first.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - DJC - 03-26-2024
(03-26-2024, 10:42 AM)LP link Wrote:If the club doesn't think McGovern is a KPD, why when he came back through the VFL a couple of seasons ago did they play him in the ruck?
What has playing in the ruck in the VFL got to do with being a KPD?
McGovern is not a key defender. The way our defence is structured means that he will occasionally stand an opposition KPF ... but so does Saad, Boyd and Newman. McGovern plays a similar role to Tom Stewart, an intercept defender, and usually picks up a medium forward. McGovern played on Darcy Gardiner, Cam Rayner, Josh Dunkley, etc against Brisbane and not on Daniher and Hipwood. He played on Martin against Richmond, not Lynch or Balta.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - DJC - 03-26-2024
(03-26-2024, 11:08 AM)kruddler link Wrote:https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/brodie-kemp/One mans opinion, sure, but shared by plenty of others.
Not sure how many 'midfield extractors' are classed as KPD's a year later.
Despite the size difference and despite my own personal opinion on the matter, i'd still prefer to play Weitering and Kemp over Weitering and Young.
Only way kemp will be defeated is if our team defence fails and he's left 1-on-1 with his taller opponent with no chance to jump at the ball.
Young on the other hand could be defeated by his opponent a number of ways.
Kemp played a couple of games in the midfield as a junior, that's it. SOS said that Kemp could play midfield when he was drafted, but he said that about Plowman, Marchbank, Stocker, and others. Despite the 'midfield extractor' tag, Kemp has played all of his football for us as a KPP.
Kemp does get beaten by taller opponents in one on one contests - Gawn in the semi - and by stronger opponents like Balta. He also loses contests when he attempts to mark rather than spoil. Young is more conservative and is happy to kill the contest if there's doubt about the outcome. Young is a better match up for Larkey and Coleman-Kones than Kemp is, and I would play both, regardless of whether Weitering is in the team.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne - madbluboy - 03-26-2024
Young has played his best football when Weitering is out.