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Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - LoveNavy - 03-09-2024
(03-08-2024, 12:19 PM)Milhanna13 link Wrote:Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or why
That's understandable IMO. He was in full defence mode. As you would if you watched that freight train run through your best side. Be defensive. Fear Carlton ? It all plays positively into the psychology of our winning culture.
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 03-09-2024
(03-09-2024, 03:23 AM)LoveNavy link Wrote:That's understandable IMO. He was in full defence mode. As you would if you watched that freight train run through your best side. Be defensive. Fear Carlton ? It all plays positively into the psychology of our winning culture.
Yes, I'm sure Fagan was thinking, "How will we go against this mob when they have Weitering, Walsh, Martin and Motlop back?"
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-09-2024
(03-08-2024, 12:19 PM)Milhanna13 link Wrote:Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or whyAgree....Lions had no excuses, we were down on key troops and they were at their fortress where they usually win....no premiership for Brisbane this season and he will be looking for a job at seasons end imo.
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-09-2024
(03-09-2024, 03:39 AM)DJC link Wrote:Yes, I'm sure Fagan was thinking, "How will we go against this mob when they have Weitering, Walsh, Martin and Motlop back?"Its interesting with those players being high quality automatics most weeks but the smaller lineup with extra pace vs Brisbane seem to work well and that quartet would make us a lot slower and probably alter Brisbane's tactics.
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 03-09-2024
I think that only diehard supporters, the coaches and the playing group thought that a win was possible, particularly in Brisbane and with the conditions during the game.
We had some moments in the first quarter but they were overshadowed by our errors and Brisbane's ability to make us pay. The second quarter started off the same way but we worked our way back into the game and the momentum was with us at half time. The premiership quarter was ours and we showed great character and resilience to to get the lead back and protect it in an even last quarter.
Young, Kemp, Newman, Saad, McGovern, Boyd and Williams were under immense pressure but they all stuck to their guns and can be very proud of their efforts. And Charlie Curnow did well in his brief defensive cameo. It's easy to see why Vossy was so keen to get Williams back in the team. Youngy and Kempy were under the pump from some supporters but both answered their critics in fine style.
Tom De Koning was outstanding in the ruck but he seemed to tire in the last quarter and the Big O got back into the game. If Tom's game is any guide, Pitto will have limited opportunities this season. Harry McKay's work as second ruck was very good and he negated Daniher in what has become an important part of the latter's game. Harry taking clean possession twice at centre bounces is not really what you'd expect from a part time ruckman and his presence around the ground was very influential. He did concede post game that he may have to start wearing a shin guard.
Carroll was good when he came on and it was good to see him thrown straight into the thick of it; if you're good enough to make the 23, you're good enough to go straight to the coalface.
Owies looked short of a gallop and I though that he and Fantasia were the least effective of our forwards. Fogarty, Cuningham and Cottrell all made solid contributions.
I was a bit concerned about Ollie Hollands as he seemed very fumbly and lacking confidence. However, he tackled often and with intent and that 's a positive.
Harry answered his critics with some excellent kicking for goal and very good field kicking. It was interesting to hear Charlie have a crack at the media for their unhealthy interest in Harry's kicking. Vossy went even further in his presser and it will be a brave reporter who dares to ask him the next question about Harry's kicking.
How good was Newey's long bomb into the forward 50? Brisbane's tall defenders had a pretty good night but that kick had Harry's name written all over it from the moment it left Newey's boot.
As EB mentioned, that's four points in the bank. It's also a boost to our self-belief and will sow the seeds of doubt in opposition clubs.
Finally, what about the Blues Brothers? Magnificent!
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - northernblue - 03-09-2024
(03-09-2024, 04:08 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree....Lions had no excuses, we were down on key troops and they were at their fortress where they usually win....no premiership for Brisbane this season and he will be looking for a job at seasons end imo.
A bit early to write off Brizvegas.
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 03-09-2024
(03-09-2024, 04:17 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Its interesting with those players being high quality automatics most weeks but the smaller lineup with extra pace vs Brisbane seem to work well and that quartet would make us a lot slower and probably alter Brisbane's tactics.
I reckon they'd add some pace to our lineup EB. Even Weiters has got a bit of toe.
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Blue Moon - 03-09-2024
Didn't think we were going to win going into the game and was certain we were going to lose 15 minutes into the second quarter. I had started watching Midsummer Murders rather than Gabbasummer Murders. I am almost convinced the team and the Club may have turned the corner.
Winners win because they win. It is a cultural thing. To some extent it doesn't matter who is out there but whether they are going to have a go and not give up. After the Elliot debacle I spoke to David McKay and said what I wanted was a team that had a go. It didn't mean that much in the short term whether they won or lost as long as they had a go. Since the 20 odd year since the changeover I am not sure this has been the case. I didn't think the players were having a go before the demise of Elliot as well.
Well done Young and Kemp on holding those two key position posts allowing McGovern to be creative off half back. Well done Saad for playing a close checking game on Cameron which isn't his natural game. Well done to Jack Carroll his game was a revelation.
What I had wanted was for us to really turn up and make a contest of the game. Playing Brisbane at the Gabba and without seven players who could be in our best 23 I thought we would be up against it and after watching the practice match against Melbourne and our past record of being satisfied with mediocrity, I really had my doubts. Obviously after watching Melbourne Thursday night it is clear practice match form is not a good guide. That first quarter and a bit where we couldn't lay a tackle was a worry but once the initial pace went off and the humidity started making the conditions more slippery which suits our style of game, the players really turned it around.
I said before the game that Brisbane defence can be scored against which turned out to be so in the third quarter, but I also think they are more of a team of individuals than the other top sides and I also think that the enjoy handing out the little whacks and back handers in match but tend to take umbrage when other sides respond and they seem to lose concentration and go off script. They have been in the finals the past five years without making an impact so clearly something is wrong.
Watching Carlton in the 60's under Barassi and in the 70's under Jezza was great because they would always fight. The 1970 Grand Final and those third quarter blitzes don't just come about. They are built on the foundations of earlier seasons. We may have the opportunity to do something special.
Finally a big shout out to the hoards of Blues Brothers in the stands. They give our Club a point of difference.
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 03-09-2024
(03-09-2024, 01:42 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Agree. Fantasia's smarts and disposal in tight were influential. Owies was probably our only 'not quite up to it' player.Agree with that except dunno about Cunners. Has speed and is very skilful especially his finishing however, he just seems to me to play the game in a way that matches his demeanour. Quiet, enigmatic sometimes lackadaisical and shows very little emotion. I like to think he makes us better, but I'm not sure he actually does.
Hollands, whose tireless work; defensive work, was terrific... however, he's got to become less fumbly and surer with his hands.
Crippa, Cera & Hewett were outstanding. Really well supported by Chugga and J Carroll - who looked like he belonged. Announced himself.
Good to see Cunners going in hard with his body at times when required.
Entire back-line deserves plaudits. (Pleasantly surprised by Young. Kempy tough and hard).
TDK's work was great. Hard at it. 2nd/3rd efforts, terrific.
H... silenced the glib and shallow critics in the best way possible.
Fogarty... tougher than a cat's head. Valuable. When he tackles someone, they remain tackled.
47pt turnaround speaks for itself about belief, persistence, endeavour, pressure and connection... when we bring our 'brand.'
Kinda feels like a 'bonus' 4pts considering where we played, conditions and an elite opposition. Go Blues!
Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 03-09-2024
(03-09-2024, 05:20 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Agree with that except dunno about Cunners. Has speed and is very skilful especially his finishing however, he just seems to me to play the game in a way that matches his demeanour. Quiet, enigmatic sometimes lackadaisical and shows very little emotion. I like to think he makes us better, but I'm not sure he actually does.
A bit like Bryce Gibbs!
Vossy wouldn't have Cuners in the team if wasn't working his butt off but he does give the impression that he's cruising.