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Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 06-22-2023
Also a good mark for his size.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - LoveNavy - 06-22-2023
Martin has good footy IQ and evasive skills. Durdin and Motlop are still learning in those areas.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - DJC - 06-22-2023
(06-19-2023, 07:13 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Martin has to get more than eight possessions a game...last week he had eight as well with only four finding a target. Been subbed off twice which doesnt help his stats but I guess thats easing him back in given his injury history so he probably needs a few more games to assess properly.
Dow needs to be played for 4 quarters to see if he has improved, coming on for junk time last quarters when games are over doesnt really tell us much. I still think he will be struggling to maintain his spot on the list.....
No, Martin doesn’t have to get more than 8 disposals provided that he uses each one as effectively as he did against Gold Coast: two goal assists and five score involvements is a decent return from a small forward with no pre-season.
The intangible with Martin is that the opposition can’t give him a sniff and that means one less defender to run interference on Charlie and Harry. And then there’s his defensive pressure when the opposition is trying to get the pill out of their backline.
Martin’s stats against Essendon are hard to reconcile. He scored 1 goal and 2 behinds and had four score involvements. In other words, half of Martin’s disposals resulted in a score. I’d happily take that from a forward with no pre-season.
Who are you going to drop to enable Dow to play four quarters?
Dow is an inside mid with no other strings to his bow and, on form, he’s way behind Cripps, Kennedy, Cerra, Docherty and Walsh … and probably Hewett and Ed Curnow as well. Paddy’s doing OK as the sub and I’d leave him there.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-22-2023
(06-22-2023, 01:11 PM)DJC link Wrote:No, Martin doesn’t have to get more than 8 disposals provided that he uses each one as effectively as he did against Gold Coast: two goal assists and five score involvements is a decent return from a small forward with no pre-season.No defensive pressure...didnt have a tackle and cant run anymore, 8 possessions isnt good enough.....his disposal against Essendon was poor, half of them went to Essendon players.
The intangible with Martin is that the opposition can’t give him a sniff and that means one less defender to run interference on Charlie and Harry. And then there’s his defensive pressure when the opposition is trying to get the pill out of their backline.
Martin’s stats against Essendon are hard to reconcile. He scored 1 goal and 2 behinds and had four score involvements. In other words, half of Martin’s disposals resulted in a score. I’d happily take that from a forward with no pre-season.
Who are you going to drop to enable Dow to play four quarters?
Dow is an inside mid with no other strings to his bow and, on form, he’s way behind Cripps, Kennedy, Cerra, Docherty and Walsh … and probably Hewett and Ed Curnow as well. Paddy’s doing OK as the sub and I’d leave him there.
He has been an overated, over paid player from day 1 who cant play a full season and you can count the number of good games he has played on one hand. If we want to improve and win premeirships we need to move on from players like Martin. GC away from home are like West Coast...an easy kill that we were expected to beat and if thats the best Martin can do vs bunnies then we need better.
Who am I going to drop to allow Dow to play four quarters??....I dont need any think music for this one.......S.Docherty would be returned to the half back line where he belongs and the Caleb Daniel wannabe in M. Boyd would be plying his trade in the VFL where his turnover skillset would fit in a with a few other notable turnover merchants in Plow and LOB.
Then I would delist the three of them at seasons end......
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Gointocarlton - 06-22-2023
(06-22-2023, 01:11 PM)DJC link Wrote:No, Martin doesn’t have to get more than 8 disposals provided that he uses each one as effectively as he did against Gold Coast: two goal assists and five score involvements is a decent return from a small forward with no pre-season.All true. However I reckon I can tell you with a fair degree of certainty that he will manage between 8 and 12 games a year. If the club feels the output mentioned above (I'm with EB in that it isn't enough) outweighs his games per year contribution then hang onto him, heck given him another 5 years.
The intangible with Martin is that the opposition can’t give him a sniff and that means one less defender to run interference on Charlie and Harry. And then there’s his defensive pressure when the opposition is trying to get the pill out of their backline.
Martin’s stats against Essendon are hard to reconcile. He scored 1 goal and 2 behinds and had four score involvements. In other words, half of Martin’s disposals resulted in a score. I’d happily take that from a forward with no pre-season.
Who are you going to drop to enable Dow to play four quarters?
Dow is an inside mid with no other strings to his bow and, on form, he’s way behind Cripps, Kennedy, Cerra, Docherty and Walsh … and probably Hewett and Ed Curnow as well. Paddy’s doing OK as the sub and I’d leave him there.
I'd hazard a guess and say we are stuck with his contract and that's the only reason we are hanging onto him. If he was OOC this year he'd be gonski.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - madbluboy - 06-22-2023
Martin may have had 8 touches but that got him 53 supercoach points. He has an impact and he clearly isn't anywhere near full fitness.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Gointocarlton - 06-22-2023
(06-22-2023, 10:47 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Martin may have had 8 touches but that got him 53 supercoach points. He has an impact and he clearly isn't anywhere near full fitness.Thats the problem, he's NEVER at full fitness.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 06-23-2023
(06-22-2023, 10:47 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:Martin may have had 8 touches but that got him 53 supercoach points. He has an impact and he clearly isn't anywhere near full fitness.Maybe this is his gig, being the F50 impact player we nurse through 3/4 of a game.
He could be our Gary Rohan type, missing for 3/4 then turns the game in a 1/4 of effort.
Like him or not, when he is up and about Martin brings a significant point of difference to just about every other player on our list. I get the cynics, but if we are going to carry someone on the list it might as well be someone who can actually make a difference.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - DJC - 06-23-2023
(06-23-2023, 12:37 AM)LP link Wrote:Maybe this is his gig, being the F50 impact player we nurse through 3/4 of a game.
He could be our Gary Rohan type, missing for 3/4 then turns the game in a 1/4 of effort.
Like him or not, when he is up and about Martin brings a significant point of difference to just about every other player on our list. I get the cynics, but if we are going to carry someone on the list it might as well be someone who can actually make a difference.
I would expect Martin to be playing four quarters after the bye. If he does, and if he does manage to play all of our remaining games, I would be offering him a contract extension. As you say LP, he does bring a significant point of difference and he demands a decent defender and that's one less for Charlie and Harry to beat.
Another injury and I suspect that it will be game over.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 06-23-2023
(06-23-2023, 01:17 AM)DJC date Wrote:Another injury and I suspect that it will be game over.I'd qualify that as another long term injury, all players get injuries, the type of injury matters doesn't it?
If he breaks down with an impact free soft tissue injury, then it might be bad luck for him, if he cops an impact injury in a physical contest I'm not sure he can blamed for that.