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Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - shawny - 05-06-2023
Our whole organization from the very top to the boot studder is not ruthless enough and don't want it enough and out list has no leadership to correct anything.
Despite all the hope and talk again we are still miles off the pace. No leadership on this list and they just take performances like that on the chin without a whimper. We are a list filled with nice guys and none have a any sort of hard ruthless edge. Our captain was smiling after the game with Lachie Neale after he had a stinker while his direct opponent comprehensively smashed him and yet he still can smile? And all those that say that means nothing are kidding themself. We are powerless to do anything to change an outcome if it's not on our terms we have too many holes in a very unbalanced list to be genuine contenders. In the third quarter when we were jammed in our D50 and couldn't get out and not one player knew WTF to do. We looked stunned and just kept turning it over. It took a soft 50 metre penalty to get us out.
We are the ultimate teasers, pretenders that melt as soon as the heat is applied. And our opposition know it!
Again like so many pre seasons out list is talked up and many including me fall for it. Then the talk stops and we see teams below us with much less fanfare leapfrog over us and teams above us continue to pull away while we just pretend it all about to turn around any minute. Reality is another season has gone down the drain and i no longer have any belief our club is ever going to amount to anything.
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - pinot - 05-06-2023
(05-05-2023, 11:54 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Whether or not social issues have a place in sport is a separate issue.
Perhaps we should have a Carlton Caveman day, or get Bettina Arndt to organise a Carlton #mentoo day ? I guess we could say that we lost the Adelaide game because our team of "choirboys" was so enamoured with the city of Churches that they forgot to train and spent the time praying instead ? This sort of thinking belongs in the realm of astrology, like saying we lost because there was an Aquarius moon in a Taurus rising.
You, me and everyone else on here have no idea what was on the players minds. Fact is we lost the game the same way we lose all games - in general not playing 4 quarters and sloppy ball use.
We don't need to have any of these events - the only thing this club needs is to be ingrained by elite ruthlessness every single day of the week
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Slowhand - 05-06-2023
(05-05-2023, 11:51 PM)Lods link Wrote:Matthew Kennedy 26% game time (just over 30minutes)
13 disposals, 2 tackles, 1 goal, 5 inside 50s, 4 score involvements, 306 metres gained. :
Ill spew if he is Sub next week. Needs to be in the Guts !!!!!
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - BlackRooster - 05-06-2023
Ok were do i start.
- Do our players know how to setup at centre bounces?
- Do we have a system to come out of the backline after a point is kicked?
- Do our forwards work hard enough up the ground?
- Do our players know how to kick to a leading player?
- Do our players know how to kick?
- Do our players know how to make a good decision?
So we won (apparently) most of the stats last night except for the main one. THE SCORE BORAD.
We will not be playing finals this year because there are not enough bad team below us for us to beat.
Dont know what else to say, most of it has been said in the previous post, is this what we now are going to get from our club all the time.
Rant over
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Macca37 - 05-06-2023
(05-06-2023, 12:09 AM)shawny link Wrote:Our whole organization from the very top to the boot studder is not ruthless enough and don't want it enough and out list has no leadership to correct anything.
Despite all the hope and talk again we are still miles off the pace. No leadership on this list and they just take performances like that on the chin without a whimper. We are a list filled with nice guys and none have a any sort of hard ruthless edge. Our captain was smiling after the game with Lachie Neale after he had a stinker while his direct opponent comprehensively smashed him and yet he still can smile? And all those that say that means nothing are kidding themself. We are powerless to do anything to change an outcome if it's not on our terms we have too many holes in a very unbalanced list to be genuine contenders. In the third quarter when we were jammed in our D50 and couldn't get out and not one player knew WTF to do. We looked stunned and just kept turning it over. It took a soft 50 metre penalty to get us out.
We are the ultimate teasers, pretenders that melt as soon as the heat is applied. And our opposition know it!
Again like so many pre seasons out list is talked up and many including me fall for it. Then the talk stops and we see teams below us with much less fanfare leapfrog over us and teams above us continue to pull away while we just pretend it all about to turn around any minute. Reality is another season has gone down the drain and i no longer have any belief our club is ever going to amount to anything.
Sad to say it but you are correct. Following on from the Adelaide game the third quarter last night laid bare how mediocre our list is.
We do not have small forwards capable of making an impact on a game. If H and Charlie are held it's game over.
We have a number one ruckman who was thrashed by McInerney, and our midfield were deprived of first use of the ball. At best Pittonet is a one dimensional, solid plodder.
We have a midfield that is easily brushed aside and is incapable of playing to a losing ruck.
Like so many previous years we have a defence which is placed under enormous pressure because of the failings of players further up the field. Unfortunately Weiters and Young are not handling the pressure well and basic mistakes are costing us big time.
In the last quarter Brisbane took the foot of the pedal and just did enough to win. What followed was the usual junk time goals.
No doubt when all the stars are in alignment this list will tease us with a win now and again and raise our hopes, but the reality is that mental fragility combined with a lack of basic skills under pressure will ensure that we stay in the bottom half of the ladder for the foreseeable future.
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - LP - 05-06-2023
Fwiw, I tend to agree with Thry, it's not as bad as it seems.
Ignoring the horrendous turnovers from clear unforced mistakes, we basically won heaps of contested footy and forced as many turnovers from the Lions as they forced on us, the clear difference was we gave it back through unforced errors, and they then used it efficiently.
Those unforced errors must have been at least a 5 or 6 goal differential.
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - kruddler - 05-06-2023
There was one stat i saw during the game that completely summed up the game.
Scores from turnovers
Brisbane 11 goals (they had 12 at the time).
Fix that, fix the game.
It was clear that our poor skill errors cost us the game.
We were up against a legit top 4 side who have done it over a number of years.
We have not even made finals for 10+ years. This result was to be expected somewhat.
We are coming.....but we are not there yet.
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - madbluboy - 05-06-2023
Sad part is we started our rebuild the same time as them.
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - shawny - 05-06-2023
(05-06-2023, 01:31 AM)kruddler link Wrote:There was one stat i saw during the game that completely summed up the game.
Scores from turnovers
Brisbane 11 goals (they had 12 at the time).
Fix that, fix the game.
It was clear that our poor skill errors cost us the game.[quote author=kruddler link=msg=389039 date=1683336692]
There was one stat i saw during the game that completely summed up the game.
Scores from turnovers
Brisbane 11 goals (they had 12 at the time).
Fix that, fix the game.
It was clear that our poor skill errors cost us the game.
We were up against a legit top 4 side who have done it over a number of years.
We have not even made finals for 10+ years. This result was to be expected somewhat.
We are coming.....but we are not there yet.
Time to face facts and take the blue glasses off.
Fixing unforced errors is not as easy as you make it sound. You don’t click your fingers and fix this. The list is filled with blokes that crack under pressure they did it late last year when they thought they may actually play finals and again this year everytime a team applied heat.
Unforced errors are what bottom and mid tier teams cant control especially under pressure and it costs them goals and games most week. We are no different hence why we are in that group of teams and not where we all hoped we would be.
Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Thryleon - 05-06-2023
(05-05-2023, 09:53 PM)PaulP link Wrote:We lose games because we're not good enough to win. We've lost plenty of games that have nothing to with Carlton Respects.Not saying that at all Paul. The players don't seem to lift for that cause is my point.