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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-16-2023
(04-16-2023, 10:13 AM)Mav link Wrote:All true and yet he cost them the game. Why he chose to go all in on a marking duel with Ginnivan, I don’t know. Sure, the kick to him was poor but surely he realised he couldn’t allow Ginnivan to trail the ball forward when Jamie Elliott was free in F50. He needed to focus on bringing the ball to ground to his or St Kilda’s advantage. That’s the job of a defender - keep the opposition from getting the ball even if you’re under the pump.Let's go back and get it right...Wood got a free kick and kicked the ball across ground to Stocker.
Once he allowed Ginnivan to run onto the loose ball, he had to tackle but instead he allowed him to step him. And Jamie Elliott then kicks the winning goal. It felt like the winning goal at the time and the dramatic finish confirmed that it was the decisive moment in the match.
I don’t see a defence-first coach like Lyon being impressed. And I reckon if Plowman made a similar error to kill a comeback for us, Carlton fans would be baying for his blood.
The kick was too slow and Ginnivan ran in and knocked the ball away.
He had the run of the ball from the spoil and wrong footed Stocker then came back on his left and hit up Elliott who got lucky because Stocker had run off him to create the switch leaving the lazy Elliott alone and he got on the end of the play.
It was Woods mistake and very reminiscent of some of Plowman's poor kicks, he gave Stocker no chance imho.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - LoveNavy - 04-16-2023
(04-16-2023, 10:08 AM)pinot link Wrote:We are going into this match as favourites at $1.70 Saints at $2.16.
Go Figure.
Of course. As we did against the Crows. Whoever comes up with this is deluded or diddling the books ?
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - Mav - 04-16-2023
As you noted, the kick was slow and that gave Stocker time to react. Come at the ball, put a fist into it: just do something. He certainly would have known the stakes as he’d left Elliott unchecked in F50.
I wonder if he decided to try to outmark Ginnivan because he wasn’t going to let that little toe rag beat him.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - PaulP - 04-16-2023
Jack Steele back for this game.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-16-2023
(04-16-2023, 10:59 AM)Mav link Wrote:As you noted, the kick was slow and that gave Stocker time to react. Come at the ball, put a fist into it: just do something. He certainly would have known the stakes as he’d left Elliott unchecked in F50.The ball was coming straight to him, most would try and take the mark...doubt I have seen any player in that position not attempt to take the mark. He probably hoped the ball would get to him first as he would have seen Ginnivan late as he was running in from the side. It was a poor kick and the Collingwood player had the drop on him....poor decision and kick from Wood was the problem and not Stockers attempt.
I wonder if he decided to try to outmark Ginnivan because he wasn’t going to let that little toe rag beat him.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - Mav - 04-16-2023
So, Weitering would have done no better in your view? Same for Nick Newman?
Do you think Lyon told Stocker there was nothing he could do. Or do you think he’ll tell him what he should do in similar circumstances? Maybe their review sessions aren’t that challenging.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - Lods - 04-16-2023
Who will be Stockers match-up?
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-16-2023
(04-16-2023, 11:32 AM)Mav link Wrote:So, Weitering would have done no better in your view? Same for Nick Newman?I think Lyon would be more upset with Wood than Stocker and that kicking across the ground was risky and a poor decision.
Do you think Lyon told Stocker there was nothing he could do. Or do you think he’ll tell him what he should do in similar circumstances? Maybe their review sessions aren’t that challenging.
Reckon Lyon would have been pleased with Stockers game vs such a dangerous opponent and thinking he got himself a bargain and who will Carlton select as a small defender with Docherty out, and Saad with a possible hammy and three high Stkilda quality small forwards to mind next week.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - Mantis - 04-16-2023
I worry about this game. We either play a competitive brand of football and get over the line, or we get smashed early and never recover. Like we did against the Crows. The game will be decided by half time. I don’t see this as a close result. One side will be blown away. I hope it isn’t us. Not a very good feeling in my stomach. This isn’t a side we have a predictable result easy to see before the first bounce. We don’t have enough goal kicking options. We rely on too few to do too much work.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - pinot - 04-16-2023
Kennedy, Hewett and to some extent but not so much Cerra are well down on last years output.
Getting no goals from the midfield first five rounds and this needs to change.