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Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 07-28-2022
(07-28-2022, 09:04 PM)BluePhantom link Wrote:So, if it was the GF would you still drop JSOS?Prior to the dropping, the answer would have been no effin way. Now there will be justification for it.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - LP - 07-28-2022
(07-28-2022, 09:04 PM)BluePhantom date Wrote:So, if it was the GF would you still drop JSOS?He's not an automatic selection, so like most players it would depends on the opposition, the fitness of the list and the expected conditions on the day.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - madbluboy - 07-28-2022
He played with all of those talls in rd 1 and 2. Omac instead of Young.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - LP - 07-28-2022
When the spine are all fit SoJ is not part of the spine.
When the spine is all fit then he is then competing with Setterfield, Cottrell, Plowman, Newnes, Newman, LoB, etc., etc for a utility role. Given he's hardly played a moment in D50 then he's unlikely to displace the defenders, that means he has to compete with the deep running types, Cottrell, Setterfield and LoB.
I presume fans don't have him kicking a midfielder or small forward out of the squad?
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - NudeNut - 07-28-2022
Just so brutal on JSOS. I love the guy for his efforts and what he has done while Pitto has been injured, but I must admit when I did my best 22 at the start of the season I struggled to find him a place. My heart says he must be in the side, but my head says where?
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - madbluboy - 07-29-2022
(07-28-2022, 10:10 PM)LP link Wrote:When the spine are all fit SoJ is not part of the spine.
When the spine is all fit then he is then competing with Setterfield, Cottrell, Plowman, Newnes, Newman, LoB, etc., etc for a utility role. Given he's hardly played a moment in D50 then he's unlikely to displace the defenders, that means he has to compete with the deep running types, Cottrell, Setterfield and LoB.
I presume fans don't have him kicking a midfielder or small forward out of the squad?
He plays half forward and plays the position better than Owies and Durdin combined.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - LP - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 12:32 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:He plays half forward and plays the position better than Owies and Durdin combined.Not really, that depends on a highly selective version of what you think the modern AFL HFF should be.
We've missed Owies deep running over the last few weeks, it has detrimentally affected the way the likes of Durdin, LoB, Cerra and Fisher play. SoJ doesn't bring that deep running, I get that SoJ plays the lead up marking HFF better than Owies or Durdin, but Charlie has been the one filling that role in recent weeks and now we have TDK to rest forward also.
We can't rotate TDK, Pitto and the other talls off the bench because we are already a team short on pace, and the talls occupying the bench leave us short of run and aerobic capacity. That leaves the MC with a choice, TDK or SoJ, and clearly TDK gets the vote at the moment. Put another tall on the bench and guys like Saad, LoB, Doc, Durdin, Fisher, Walsh and Owies suffer.
SoJ isn't competing with Owies or Durdin for a SF or HFF position, SoJ is not a pacey crumbing forward.
Earlier this season / pre-season I mentioned this was going to happen at some stage and forum members lambasted me for it, but any blind Freddy who isn't smitten with the Silvagni surname could see this coming. Now they are treating SoJ being dropped like a team and club death sentence, but it's not terminal, it's no different to Newnes, Cottrell, Satterfield or LoB being rotated through selection.
SoJ wasn't the first and won't be the last fan favourite to find himself in the VFL for a period of time, we are a strong list growing in strength each week and non-core players should not expect residency in the AFL team.
Nobody can argue either way, be it for or against, that making such decisions does not come with a cost!
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-29-2022
Jack is the 3rd tall forward and it's a important position.
McGovern couldn't handle it and has been sent down back and as Fritsch from Melbourne has shown a good 3rd tall forward helps win premierships.
Mind boggling decision to drop Jack and we have a done an Andrew Walker on him by using him as a bandaid then discarding him when he was played out of form by sacrificing himself for the team .
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - LP - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 01:02 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Jack is the 3rd tall forward and it's a important position.Our 3rd talls are not like Bailey Fritsch, Fritsch is both quick and an elite aerobic runner as well as being strong overhead like our talls, probably the only runner we have that is comparable is Cottrell.
McGovern couldn't handle it and has been sent down back and as Fritsch from Melbourne has shown a good 3rd tall forward helps win premierships.
The progress of Young has change our team dynamic significantly, fans need to accept it.
Gov, Young, Weitering have the D50 stitched up, BigH, Charlie and probably TDK have the F50 stitched up.
While TDK is in the mix SoJ won't be a ruck option.
Suspect the only place SoJ can compete is on the wing against Setterfield, Newnes or Cottrell, but SoJ is going to have to take his run up a whole new level just to keep up, just as his team-mates have done to improve in 2022.
Even that wing opportunity becomes limited when all of Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Kennedy, Hewett and Fisher play and we toy starting Walsh, Hewett, Fisher or Cerra on a wing at times.
I'm a bit surprised Motlop retained his spot.
There is a lot of complaining about SoJ being dropped, but I still haven't read a viable argument for who he replaces in that side outside of bad form or an injury.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - pinot - 07-29-2022
He just needs to find his touch - his work rate is elite. His one touch game has been very fumbly of late, disposal by foot and decision making has been a bit off and turned the ball over a few times. I look forward seeing Jack in VFL to regain form and win his position back in the side. I reckon he will be back in 2 weeks.